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My new super toner Indian Head Nickel - Ebay and Utah Coin were good to me

I'm excited as all heck about my newest purchase. It's another toner nickel. Never thought I'd be collecting toners, but they're just so cool looking they're hard to pass up!

Pics from Utah's auction:


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  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    Very nice!

    Congratulations!


    p.s. The metal is spelled "nickel".
    Tom

  • Halfhunter06Halfhunter06 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭
    nice, ms67??
  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As I mentioned in the auction, this was in a PCGS Rattler holder graded MS65. I gambled, cracked it out and sent it to NGC hoping for a 66 Star (and hence big $$ on eBay). NGC bodybagged it as "Questionable Color". All this was disclosed in the auction.

    I still think it's a nice coin.
    What's that old saying?? "Buy the coin, not the plastic"
    I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector.
    Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    I was just wondering, How did so many of your coins acquire the same toning Utah? I've seen this same toning on the Lincoln's, Buffs, and SMS coins in your auctions.
    "It is what it is."
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IF that's AT, then the person that AT'd it is a genius!!

    Personally, I think it's natural.

    WHY DON'T THESE GRADING COMPANIES ONLY BODYBAG THE OBVIOUS!!!!!!!!!!
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭


    << <i>As I mentioned in the auction, this was in a PCGS Rattler holder graded MS65. I gambled, cracked it out and sent it to NGC hoping for a 66 Star (and hence big $$ on eBay). NGC bodybagged it as "Questionable Color". All this was disclosed in the auction.

    I still think it's a nice coin.
    What's that old saying?? "Buy the coin, not the plastic" >>



    The "Questionable Color" comment just drives me crazy. This is exactly how buffaloes tone and when they are BB it is total BS to me.
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  • << <i>The great majority of "super toner" Mint State Buffalo Nickels are artificially toned. >>



    When I was a kid, my father and older brother collected Buffalo Nickels pretty seriously. My memory might be faulty, but I just don't remember seeing coins toned like this in the 1970s.
  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I was just wondering, How did so many of your coins acquire the same toning Utah? I've seen this same toning on the Lincoln's, Buffs, and SMS coins in your auctions. >>



    As I have mentioned on a few occasions, last year I bought a HUGH collection/hoard of hundreds and hundreds of SMS sets, proof sets, commems and assorted albums of coins from an estate in WV. This guy stored all of his coins in a garage in metal lockers. These lockers also had gunsmithing & gun cleaning chemicals and supplies. This guy had also been a coal miner, so along with all the chemicals, also included in the lockers were overalls and jackets that appeared to be covered with coal dust.

    I believe this combination of coal dust and chemicals accounts for the color on most of these coins. If I hadn't gone back there and seen it for myself, I wouldn't have believed it.

    It is interesting that I can send a batch of coins to PCGS and/or NGC and they slab 100% on some submissions and 50% on others.
    I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector.
    Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
  • I was watching this one and meant to snipe it at the end but missed the ending, nice pick up!
    imageQuid pro quo. Yes or no?
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The great majority of "super toner" Mint State Buffalo Nickels are artificially toned. >>



    When I was a kid, my father and older brother collected Buffalo Nickels pretty seriously. My memory might be faulty, but I just don't remember seeing coins toned like this in the 1970s. >>



    In the 70's it was an extremely rare thing to find ANY toned coin in a dealer's showcase, as dipping was the norm back then.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,022 ✭✭✭✭✭
    pretty but yes questionable color
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I was just wondering, How did so many of your coins acquire the same toning Utah? I've seen this same toning on the Lincoln's, Buffs, and SMS coins in your auctions. >>



    As I have mentioned on a few occasions, last year I bought a HUGH collection/hoard of hundreds and hundreds of SMS sets, proof sets, commems and assorted albums of coins from an estate in WV. This guy stored all of his coins in a garage in metal lockers. These lockers also had gunsmithing & gun cleaning chemicals and supplies. This guy had also been a coal miner, so along with all the chemicals, also included in the lockers were overalls and jackets that appeared to be covered with coal dust.

    I believe this combination of coal dust and chemicals accounts for the color on most of these coins. If I hadn't gone back there and seen it for myself, I wouldn't have believed it.

    It is interesting that I can send a batch of coins to PCGS and/or NGC and they slab 100% on some submissions and 50% on others. >>



    I wasn't suggesting AT, but only curious because I have seen a lot of SMS sets with the same toning on them. I was just curious of how you acquired so many and you answered that. I didn't mean to sound rude if I was, those are some nice coins and I would like to own some myself. image
    "It is what it is."
  • calaban7calaban7 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I was just wondering, How did so many of your coins acquire the same toning Utah? I've seen this same toning on the Lincoln's, Buffs, and SMS coins in your auctions. >>



    As I have mentioned on a few occasions, last year I bought a HUGH collection/hoard of hundreds and hundreds of SMS sets, proof sets, commems and assorted albums of coins from an estate in WV. This guy stored all of his coins in a garage in metal lockers. These lockers also had gunsmithing & gun cleaning chemicals and supplies. This guy had also been a coal miner, so along with all the chemicals, also included in the lockers were overalls and jackets that appeared to be covered with coal dust.

    I believe this combination of coal dust and chemicals accounts for the color on most of these coins. If I hadn't gone back there and seen it for myself, I wouldn't have believed it.

    . >>



    I'm hardly the experts that some are here , but with the numerous carbon spots and knowing what sulfur does to metal in general , the WV line is very plausible IMO.

    AT or not the coin is still a wozzer !!
    " In a time of universal deceit , telling the truth is a revolutionary act " --- George Orwell
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    -----As I mentioned in the auction, this was in a PCGS Rattler holder graded MS65. I gambled, cracked it out and sent it to NGC hoping for a 66 Star (and hence big $$ on eBay). NGC bodybagged it as "Questionable Color". All this was disclosed in the auction.
    -----As I have mentioned on a few occasions, last year I bought a HUGH collection/hoard of hundreds and hundreds of SMS sets, proof sets, commems and assorted albums of coins from an estate in WV.
    -----The great majority of "super toner" Mint State Buffalo Nickels are artificially toned.

    wasn't/isn't the guy who did all the Buffalo's from the Chicago area, probably the guy who AT'd the Buffalo in the first edition PCGS Grading guide???
    ah, West Virginia, the explained origin of that Appalacian Hoard of AT Jefferson War Nickels!!!! i suppose it's the high sulfer air from all that bad coal in the region.

    hey, i tend to believe duck stories myself. you know, if it walks like a duck and all that.


  • coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    David Langes' book "The Complete Guide to Buffalo Nickels" originally had a coin that looked very similar to this one on the cover. The most recent edition (3rd edition) has a coin with no toning. I wonder if Mr. Lange has changed his thinking about the color of buffaloes over the last few years?
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  • zeebobzeebob Posts: 2,825
    Maybe I'll give NCG or PCGS another crack at it. It'll be interesting to see if either firm will slab it again. If not, I can always just enjoy it as it sits. It's purdy.
  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The great majority of "super toner" Mint State Buffalo Nickels are artificially toned. >>



    You may want to include many of the eary matte and later brilliant proof examples with wild color as well...

    john
  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    You got that right, John and NO, most coins will NOT tone in this manner by themselves, particularly nickel! - They need a little help ... anything from airborne chemical agents or household supplies to hot water heaters to books with the right kind of paper, small manilla - type envelopes after dipping ... there are ways and THEY ARE acceptable, from time to time, in cycles (*cyclical).

    Eventually the pendelum WILL swing and it WILL get certified - give it time!image
  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    hell of a coin, very nice example. UTAH coin rocks easy people to deal with.

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