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2009 $20 High Reliefs - Where did the idea for them come from?

291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
If ever there were unnecessary coin issue this is it. Just where did the idea for this piece come from?
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    I don't see your point. It can't possibly be any more unnecessary than any gold, silver or platinum eagle, or gold buffalo coin. It will probably be a huge hit with collecters.
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    fcfc Posts: 12,805 ✭✭✭
    to me, this bullion round is a lack of ideas... a stubby little thick coin with an
    old classic design rumored to be the mint's finest. yawn.
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Then don't buy one.
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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,284 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If ever there were unnecessary coin issue this is it. Just where did the idea for this piece come from. >>




    I suspect someone at the Mint or Smithsonian liked the design and realized that with today's technology, striking a coin with that high a relief would not be a problem.
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    << <i>If ever there were unnecessary coin issue this is it. >>

    Unnecessary to anyone fortunate (i.e., rich enough) to own one of the originals, maybe. For the rest of us, it's a dream come true.
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    Judging from the face on this coin it was inspired by watching an episode of Mr Magoo.
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭

    The NY Times article makes some good points about “Why.” But I think the key concept from director Moy is that this piece closes the door on reuse of 100-year old designs on new coins.

    The small diameter double eagle format was chosen because it was tested in Feb 1907 by the mint, but no examples exist outside of the Smithsonian (2 pieces). Thus, the modern mint could make something that no collector owned, using a classic design that most liked. It was also a way for the mint to have a second chance with Saint-Gaudens’ original designs. The mint worked with the Saint Gaudens National Historic Site and used one of the extant original plaster models as its basis for the coin. Taking a 12-inch diameter model down to 1-inch for coining while maintaining full detail is not a trivial task. Overall the new pieces are pretty close to the model – including deficiencies in the original.

    (PS. I do not accept the Breenism that the mint was overwhelmingly hostile to S-G in 1907. Barber called in outside help to make the first reductions and dies. Further, the mint engraver certainly must have liked the design – he owned 8 EHR $20 (normal diameter) – or nearly half of all the ones struck.)
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,524 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't know if this was posted already, but too lazy to check. >>



    From the linked story:

    “Liberty has visited America and is now marching into the rest of the world, led by enlightenment. America’s best days are ahead.”

    Then why don;t they return to the LIBERTY theme for all of America's coinage? To me, that would be the best thing Edmund C. Moy could ever do as US Mint Director! A quick call to the incoming president and with the stroke of a pen, it could all happen.
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    PPS: The idea for the original small diameter double eagles (1907) was likely that of Charles Barber or posssibly Henri Weil who helped Barber make the reductions. Saint-Gaudens never requested them.

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