<< <i>As long as individuals 'must have' slabbed coins.... and as long as 'individuals' are not as good as the TPG's at grading, we will have stories such as this. Opinions are just that..... even 'informed' opinions..... Those who believe they are better than the TPG's need to apply for a job there.... otherwise, accept what you are given. Or - spend money on resubmissions.... your money, your choice. Cheers, RickO >>
...............oh so true!!
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
lol... no.. you see mostly 63's.... lol... All are much nicer in hand... you'll just have to take my word for it... I've only looked at a half million peace $.... u?
I invite you to post a link to any Heritage peace $ in 66 and tell me why it's so much nicer...
<< <i>OK, looking at the pics I don't see a MS66 anywhere. What am I missing? >>
that first coin has a super clean cheek. sure it shows some marks but it appears nicer then a lot of other coins i see called a 64..
i cannot imagine it getting a 63 if i read the thread correctly. 63 is simply wrong. I totally disagree with PCGS. they blew it based on the one pic of the obv.
but of course each series is graded differently i suppose. maybe not a 66 but it sure seems worthy of a lock 64 and shot 65 based on the luster and overall good condition.
<< <i>Gave up over $1200 in grading fees to PCGS. About half the raw coins graded, all but two or three cross overs BB'd. PCGS came out ahead on that one.
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I see no problem with this coin, unless the image is hiding something. >>
Yup that coin is bad, I really think you should just send her away.............TO ME !!!!!!!
<< <i>Gave up over $1200 in grading fees to PCGS. About half the raw coins graded, all but two or three cross overs BB'd. PCGS came out ahead on that one.
>>
Just my opinion of what happened with this coin...
I'm not surprised that PCGS BBed it for questional color. I have an idea on what may have been done to the coin.
Does the smaller pic look like a 66... O well.... vams have dried up.. so I thought I'd crack some coins out and hope for the best (2x I've ever cracked coins)... obviously I should stick to Vams...lol
<< <i>if they can call this mess an MS-66, <SNIP> >>
I quit dabbling in Peace dollars due to the (perceived?) inconsistencies in grading. IMO, strike seems to figure into it more heavily than on Morgans... sometimes. His relatively mark free 24 was prob. dumped on because it is such a mushy strike (and not part. attractive). If I cannot reasonably second-guess their graders in a series then I do not send in those coins. Simple as that.
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<< <i>if they can call this mess an MS-66, <SNIP> >>
I quit dabbling in Peace dollars due to the (perceived?) inconsistencies in grading. IMO, strike seems to figure into it more heavily than on Morgans... sometimes. His relatively mark free 24 was prob. dumped on because it is such a mushy strike (and not part. attractive). If I cannot reasonably second-guess their graders in a series then I do not send in those coins. Simple as that. >>
I agree.
With Peace dollars it's a total guessing game for me (and it seems most others).
It's very similar to the most difficult series of Canadian coins to grade - the KGV Canadian 5 Cents (1922-1936). I'm sure if you collect these, you will agree with me.
"Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
<< <i>if they can call this mess an MS-66, <SNIP> >>
I quit dabbling in Peace dollars due to the (perceived?) inconsistencies in grading. IMO, strike seems to figure into it more heavily than on Morgans... sometimes. His relatively mark free 24 was prob. dumped on because it is such a mushy strike (and not part. attractive). If I cannot reasonably second-guess their graders in a series then I do not send in those coins. Simple as that. >>
You ever see a 63 that nice before? I have not. Sure maybe not a GEM due to strike but an easy 64.
It is very difficult to argue that coin, obv, deserves a 63. Very difficult.
of course this is all just my opinion. I wish I could buy coins like that graded so conservative. It just does not happen with gold half eagles. 63 gets you a doggy. 65-66 is where you get something equivalent looking to that coin relatively speaking.
<< <i>lol... no.. you see mostly 63's.... lol... All are much nicer in hand... you'll just have to take my word for it... I've only looked at a half million peace $.... u?
I invite you to post a link to any Heritage peace $ in 66 and tell me why it's so much nicer... >>
Please refer to my "how many points does ownership add" thread. I'm going to go take pics of my best raw Peace dollar and post it here for comparison purposes. I've always thought it might get a 65 but never submitted to PCGS before.
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<< <i>The more I learn, the less value I put on the TPG's grading opinions.
They screw the pooch every once in awhile but its one heck of a lot better than before.
Ken
<< <i>OK, looking at the pics I don't see a MS66 anywhere. What am I missing? >>
<< <i>As long as individuals 'must have' slabbed coins.... and as long as 'individuals' are not as good as the TPG's at grading, we will have stories such as this. Opinions are just that..... even 'informed' opinions..... Those who believe they are better than the TPG's need to apply for a job there.... otherwise, accept what you are given. Or - spend money on resubmissions.... your money, your choice. Cheers, RickO >>
...............oh so true!!
I invite you to post a link to any Heritage peace $ in 66 and tell me why it's so much nicer...
<< <i>OK, looking at the pics I don't see a MS66 anywhere. What am I missing? >>
that first coin has a super clean cheek. sure it shows some marks
but it appears nicer then a lot of other coins i see called a 64..
i cannot imagine it getting a 63 if i read the thread correctly. 63 is
simply wrong. I totally disagree with PCGS. they blew it based on
the one pic of the obv.
but of course each series is graded differently i suppose. maybe
not a 66 but it sure seems worthy of a lock 64 and shot 65 based on the luster
and overall good condition.
Don't see a 66, jmo
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<< <i>Gave up over $1200 in grading fees to PCGS. About half the raw coins graded, all but two or three cross overs BB'd. PCGS came out ahead on that one.
I see no problem with this coin, unless the image is hiding something. >>
Yup that coin is bad, I really think you should just send her away.............TO ME !!!!!!!
<< <i>Gave up over $1200 in grading fees to PCGS. About half the raw coins graded, all but two or three cross overs BB'd. PCGS came out ahead on that one.
Just my opinion of what happened with this coin...
I'm not surprised that PCGS BBed it for questional color. I have an idea on what may have been done to the coin.
42/92
O well.... vams have dried up.. so I thought I'd crack some coins out and hope for the best (2x I've ever cracked coins)... obviously I should stick to Vams...lol
if they can call this mess an MS-66, than they could have at least given you one MS65!
<< <i>if they can call this mess an MS-66, <SNIP> >>
I quit dabbling in Peace dollars due to the (perceived?) inconsistencies in grading. IMO, strike seems to figure into it more heavily than on Morgans... sometimes. His relatively mark free 24 was prob. dumped on because it is such a mushy strike (and not part. attractive). If I cannot reasonably second-guess their graders in a series then I do not send in those coins. Simple as that.
BS&T
Ebay: + <waitin'> NEG: Chameleoncoins
NonBST/Ebay:
WTB: Toners, BU Darkside, Sovs & 20 Mark, LMU/SMU Gold.
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<< <i>if they can call this mess an MS-66, <SNIP> >>
I quit dabbling in Peace dollars due to the (perceived?) inconsistencies in grading. IMO, strike seems to figure into it more heavily than on Morgans... sometimes. His relatively mark free 24 was prob. dumped on because it is such a mushy strike (and not part. attractive). If I cannot reasonably second-guess their graders in a series then I do not send in those coins. Simple as that. >>
I agree.
With Peace dollars it's a total guessing game for me (and it seems most others).
It's very similar to the most difficult series of Canadian coins to grade - the KGV Canadian 5 Cents (1922-1936). I'm sure if you collect these, you will agree with me.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
<< <i>
<< <i>if they can call this mess an MS-66, <SNIP> >>
I quit dabbling in Peace dollars due to the (perceived?) inconsistencies in grading. IMO, strike seems to figure into it more heavily than on Morgans... sometimes. His relatively mark free 24 was prob. dumped on because it is such a mushy strike (and not part. attractive). If I cannot reasonably second-guess their graders in a series then I do not send in those coins. Simple as that. >>
You ever see a 63 that nice before? I have not. Sure maybe not a
GEM due to strike but an easy 64.
It is very difficult to argue that coin, obv, deserves a 63. Very difficult.
of course this is all just my opinion. I wish I could buy coins like that
graded so conservative. It just does not happen with gold half eagles.
63 gets you a doggy. 65-66 is where you get something equivalent
looking to that coin relatively speaking.
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<< <i>lol... no.. you see mostly 63's.... lol... All are much nicer in hand... you'll just have to take my word for it... I've only looked at a half million peace $.... u?
I invite you to post a link to any Heritage peace $ in 66 and tell me why it's so much nicer...
Please refer to my "how many points does ownership add" thread.