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New purchase: 1852-O Seated quarter.

rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
Here is an 1852-O Seated quarter that I was fortunate to acquire as part of the set I bought last week. Those of you who collect Seated quarters will recognize the 1852-O as one of the most difficult issues to find in high grade. Someone mentioned here a few days ago that the Eliasberg 1852-O was a choice AU with a huge "X" scratched into it. If that's the best Mr. Eliasberg could do, then you can be assured that it is difficult to acquire a nice specimen of this date. In addition, the Pittman specimen was a harshly cleaned AU example, according to the Heritage auction archives (no picture). A PCGS MS63 example of this date with a soft strike brought $126,500 in a 2007 Heritage sale.

This example was very lightly cleaned or dipped at one time, but fortunately, there are just some scattered light hairlines on the obverse. It isn't a miserably scrubbed or whizzed coin, but it isn't close to original, either. It was stored in a Library of Coins album since about 1961, and it now has flecks of colored toning here and there, minimizing the effects of the cleaning. I believe the previous owner and I net-graded it to XF when we priced the coins.

I feel guilty owning this coin because I know many dedicated Seated quarter collectors have searched diligently for this date with no luck for years, but I just bought it as part of a set, completing the Seated quarter series in one swoop. That cheapens the thrill of the hunt somewhat, and possibly makes a few of my fellow collectors want to bring physical harm to both me and my coins. Perhaps some day I will pass it around at a coin club meeting, and it will be returned to me with a large "X" scratched into the obverse. That would explain a lot of things.image Hope you enjoyed seeing it.


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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,700 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF40 details, cleaned. Get out the Taco Bell napkins. The kind of coin you just don't see anymore.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One other comment I forgot... it has a thin streak of darker toning from Liberty's shoulder to the rim at 5:00. Many of the proofs from this collection had the same toning pattern. I am going to guess that it spent some time in a paper envelope before being inserted into the album. Anyone have a different theory?
  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a beauty, and nicely struck for a 52-O.
  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    I think it looks great. Congrats on picking up such a rarity.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One of the top 10 seated quarters imo (I don't count the 73cc na) and still an underrated date along with it's mate, the 1851-0. A date I searched for at length in the 1970's and early 1980's and only found 1 that was buyable. Back then it seemed all the key dates were in the inventory of Bill Grayson, Kam Ahwash, and a couple of others. They are much more spread out today.

    Every one I've seen has had the same flat had. But yours doesn't have the corresponding weakness on the back. The MS63 as I recall did have a flat spot on the reverse as well. Undertand that the $120K price for that MS63 was probably only due to 2 people that had to have it. It only brought $25K or so at the Richmond sale a few years earlier. Would not be surprised to see it bring under $30K if sold off today. I recall seeing a flat head unc in NYCity back in the early 1980's at a local shop. I wonder if that's the same coin?

    Is there a 42-0 SD or 72-s in that set? I love those 2 dates.
    roadrunner
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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is there a 42-0 SD or 72-s in that set? I love those 2 dates.


    The 1842-O SD was missing, and I have to go shopping now. There was a lightly scratched VF+ 1842-O LD in the hole, and I ALMOST didn't look at it when we were pricing the coins... 5 straight hrs. of grading and pricing will do that to you. Unfortunately, the previous owner was not so lucky, and I think he paid $700 for it in the 1980s. I believe I bought it for $40. He wasn't smiling when I pointed it out to him.

    The 1872-S has major damage, but the 1871-S is a beautiful, original VG-10 to F-12 with a few scuffs. I will forgive the original collector for the horrible 1872-S because he included two examples of 1873-CC Arr. in the collection, and one of them is really nice.
  • The set was complete, less the 1873CC no arrows, and the 1842-O sm date.

    Ray
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At one time in the 1970's I considered the 42-0 SD to be the key underrated coin to the set, much like the 74-cc was to the dimes.
    While the rare CC's and 49-0 catalogued for a ton, the "lowly" 42-0 SD was lost in the shuffle. Yet it was as rare as the 49-0 and probably on par with the 70-cc and 71-cc. I never did find one until last year when I purchased a simple Anacs Good-8 off Ebay for $650. Nice trouble free coin with a couple of letters of liberty showing. I don't think the 42-0 SD has ever been available in the market. And it took me 33 years to finally step up and get one. Yet, one could pop up and be stupidly cheap when it does, even today based on a lowly CDN value of 1/3 to 1/4 it's real price.

    Tuff on the 72-s. Most are cleaned and damaged. I've never owned a decent one.

    roadrunner
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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The MS63 as I recall did have a flat spot on the reverse as well. Undertand that the $120K price for that MS63 was probably only due to 2 people that had to have it. It only brought $25K or so at the Richmond sale a few years earlier. Would not be surprised to see it bring under $30K if sold off today. >>



    This coin is in the FUN sale - we shall know soon!
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Ron, now that's a great looking coin, despite the slight un-original look.

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  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    great coin!!!!!
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  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The MS63 as I recall did have a flat spot on the reverse as well. Undertand that the $120K price for that MS63 was probably only due to 2 people that had to have it. It only brought $25K or so at the Richmond sale a few years earlier. Would not be surprised to see it bring under $30K if sold off today. >>



    This coin is in the FUN sale - we shall know soon! >>



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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Update- the PCGS MS63 coin brought $46,000 in the FUN sale. That is quite a beating for whoever bought it at $126,500 back in 2007. The strike is really quite mushy. It also seems to have been dipped in between the auctions, as a few tiny toning spots went away. There is a PCGS MS62 that sold for $29,900 in the September 2008 Long Beach sale- I think I'd rather have that one. The surfaces aren't so nice, but its strike was way better. Seems like a "correction" on this date in Unc. may have happened some time last year, or else the 2007 price was just a runaway price between two competitors who didn't want to see the other guy get the coin.
  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    Nice Coin !!! I've never even seen one in person image
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I figured that 52-0 would end up between $30K and $50K. In fact I was surprised it almost reached the $50K mark. From the various stories I heard about it, the previous price was certainly the case of a couple of heated bidders who wanted to have it, or to help bolster the price of one they already owned. Take your pick. End result is the same.

    Regardless of what is in MS slabs, I still consider the date unknown in honest or true mint state.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold

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