Here's a fake 1795 DBSE Dollar offered as legit! (Update: Seller calls me out right in auction desc

jdillane · October 18, 2008 2:14PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120319961399&fromMakeTrack=true

Seller is an avid buyer from China. Thinking a tip off to the Secret Service is in order since Ebay seems complicit with this nonsense.

Edited to add: After alerting seller to concerns re authenticity of his coin and that I would be reporting him to the US Secret Service (I did), Seller naturally saw fit to send me a series of vulgar emails. Then, he adds the following to his auction: TO EBAY MEMBER jdillane FROM MI. I AM WAITING YOU SEND VULGAR AND THREATNING EMAILS BACK IT UP I AM WAITING FOR YOU BIG MOUTH. RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT.

I am not certain what he means (row boat butt?) but I am hopeful that the Secret Service at least looks in to this. Not certain how ebay deals with these but gather they tend to leave them to run absent proof positive.

Placid · October 18, 2008 2:20PM

Only a $8100 bin

Link

GrumpyEd · October 18, 2008 2:24PM

Anyone that pays that much for a raw coin on ebay is gambling.

FullStrike · October 18, 2008 4:32PM

<< Anyone that pays that much for a raw coin on ebay is gambling. >>

Heck, what with over-grading, bad economy, poor eye appeal, fake slabs, scam sellers that don't deliver, etc, a buyer of a slabbed coin off eBay is just gambling. Especially at $8,100.00 !

jdillane · October 19, 2008 12:48AM

<< 

<< Anyone that pays that much for a raw coin on ebay is gambling. >>

Heck, what with over-grading, bad economy, poor eye appeal, fake slabs, scam sellers that don't deliver, etc, a buyer of a slabbed coin off eBay is just gambling. Especially at $8,100.00 ! >>

Maybe so, but seller has a f/b score that does not automatically raise concerns. Hard to believe that someone would bid/offer more than a token amount, but it does happen.

I bet next time he will use two separate accounts. Looks like he is a major importer of coins from China.

cmerlo1 · October 19, 2008 1:02AM

"Row boat butt"

AUandAG · October 19, 2008 1:30AM

Seller doesn't buy from China, seller is in China! Well, at least he used to be in Bejing. Now he's in Illinois?
Hmmmmmm

Ok, I have no idea what the real deal looks like. According to Breen this is the head too far left version. Well,
I do not have a clue as to what to look for as in diagnostics. I'm sure many on this board have never seen, let
alone handled one. So, Jdilane, please give us the knowledge. I would like to "see" the difference between
this fake and the real deal. Can you help with that? Can others help?

Are the dentils too even? That would be my only guess.

Thanks,
bob

braddick · October 19, 2008 1:56AM

His BIN $6,900.00 '1892-S Morgan' is a fake too.

kartwheel · October 19, 2008 2:18AM

jdillane

DoubleEagle59 · October 19, 2008 2:24AM

I suspect this guy is Chinese.

In their description, they use the would 'happy'. I don't know about you, but I find when a Chinese seller describes their coins, they somehow always use the word 'happy'.

Maybe it's just me, but when I read 'happy' in a coin desription, I think counterfeit.

SomeGuyFromMichigan · October 19, 2008 2:31AM

If you look closely you would see evidence that this coin was struck in a collar.
The uniformity is not consistent with Bust era coinage, maybe a couple months old is more accurate.
Then the wear pattern is inconsistent with the fields.
Scrubbed across the surface doesn't mean it ever circulated...
I have to agree with jdillane fake is fake.

I even think the Chinese silver he has for sale is counterfeit!
Who would be so stupid to sell 1 Kilo of silver for $8.65
All from this seller of rare goods of China pd3366ft
Check the feedback and items for sale.

DoubleEagle59 · October 19, 2008 2:39AM

I just checked his feedback.

As stated earlier, this guy has purchased a truck load of good from China!! I know it all to be counterfeit. No doubt about it, and he's selling it a genuine.

How do you shut a guy down for operating like this??

denga · October 19, 2008 2:53AM

jdillane October 19, 2008
Seller is an avid buyer from China. Thinking a tip off to the Secret Service is in order since Ebay seems complicit with this nonsense.

Edited to add: After alerting seller to concerns re authenticity of his coin and that I would be reporting him to the US Secret Service (I did), Seller naturally saw fit to send me a series of vulgar emails. Then, he adds the following to his auction: TO EBAY MEMBER jdillane FROM MI. I AM WAITING YOU SEND VULGAR AND THREATNING EMAILS BACK IT UP I AM WAITING FOR YOU BIG MOUTH. RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT.

I am not certain what he means (row boat butt?) but I am hopeful that the Secret Service at least looks in to this. Not certain how ebay deals with these but gather they tend to leave them to run absent proof positive.

Reported to eBay for making personal attacks when selling. It will be interesting to see if they do anything.

Denga

SUMORADA · October 19, 2008 3:06AM

I had a guy bid on one of my items a couple weeks ago, he ended up 2nd, then sends me a bunch of emails saying he bid X amount and should of won, and that he
is one of the most aggressive bidders on ebay blah blah blah...

So i just ignored him thinking he would go away..he kept on bugging me so I blocked him..he then started sending threatening emails, so I checked his FB and
was shocked...he had a lot of good feedback but 98% of it was buying fakes from China.......hundreds & hundreds just in the last couple months,

I'm sure he has or will sell them under a different account..........unbelievable !

He has done nothing wrong that I have seen so I'm not putting his ID here, but I'm gonna keep an eye on him......

CaptHenway · October 19, 2008 4:54AM

<< His BIN $6,900.00 '1892-S Morgan' is a fake too.

>>

I reported it too. If you give them a diagnostic, such as the reverse hub style was only used in 1921, they will usually kill it.
TD

UtahCoin · October 19, 2008 5:02AM

Boy, he sure got you!
"TO EBAY MEMBER jdillane FROM MI. I AM WAITING YOU SEND VULGAR AND THREATNING EMAILS BACK IT UP I AM WAITING FOR YOU BIG MOUTH. RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT."

GoldenEyeNumismatics · October 19, 2008 5:05AM

<< 

<< His BIN $6,900.00 '1892-S Morgan' is a fake too.

>>

I reported it too. If you give them a diagnostic, such as the reverse hub style was only used in 1921, they will usually kill it.
TD >>

It's not fake, just a super polished Fine. Only worth melt.

I've sent him some emails (I was quite polite) and now we're in an argument too. Hehe, this is fun.

MFH · October 19, 2008 5:14AM

<< His BIN $6,900.00 '1892-S Morgan' is a fake too.

>>

jdillane · October 19, 2008 5:21AM

Seller is alleging he sold the 1795 off-ebay:

Dear jdillane,

Oh you realy are a nitwit i wish you could see my paypal account.Well that one sold but you can still make an offer on the morgan.Ha ha ha ha.I always WIN

- mystery309

edited to hyphenate off ebay.

leothelyon · October 19, 2008 5:24AM

I'm sure glad I don't have to deal with fake Jefferson nickels but it would be nice to get rid of all the fake collectors.

Leo

kartwheel · October 19, 2008 5:26AM

About 70% of his positive feedback is from one buyer claiming, "Happy business...." Probably his brother.

gonzer · October 19, 2008 5:43AM

In all my years I've never heard the term "row-boat butt". Must be the Chinese equivalent of lard-a$$.

Datentype · October 19, 2008 5:49AM

From my experience the US secret service might talk to him and make him sweat but they will not do anything unless he is adding zeros to currency or creating his own us currency. This is not their bag! It may be more internet fraud type of thing.

WoodenJefferson · October 19, 2008 6:38AM

The Secret Service could care less if this is a counterfeit coin, now if he was selling packs of $100 bills for less than face value, it might perk their interest.

As most states consider anything over $2000 to be a felony, well, that would be the way to go, that and since he uses the USPS, the Postal Inspectors would be more than happy to be involved, you don’t mess with the Feds! They have the resources to go after people who send knock-offs through the US mail system, mind you, not that I’m saying this is a counterfeit coin, it would take more than just images on the internet to define this a true replica meant to deceive.

CaptHenway · October 19, 2008 9:03AM

<< In all my years I've never heard the term "row-boat butt". Must be the Chinese equivalent of lard-a$$. >>

Tugboat Fanny?

NHSBaseball · October 19, 2008 9:14AM

" Row boat butt"!?! Where I come from, them's fightin' words....

NHSBaseball · October 19, 2008 9:16AM

Hey, Barndog---- You're a ROWBOAT BUTT!!

derryb · October 19, 2008 9:45AM

<< " Row boat butt"!?! Where I come from, them's fightin' words....

>>

Old chinese saying

WinPitcher · October 21, 2008 4:43AM

In all my years I've never heard the term "row-boat butt". Must be the Chinese equivalent of lard-a$$.

lol

Steve

Walmann · October 21, 2008 5:02AM

He uses river boat butt as he is fearful of the equivalent Chinese term which is junk. It hits a little too close to home.

Steve27 · October 21, 2008 5:06AM

Excuse me, but he called you a "MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT."

ROFL!!!

jsf · October 21, 2008 5:12AM

somebody else brought up that "mystery" ID in another thread...where was it?...

ilikebuffaloes · October 21, 2008 5:13AM

The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale.

Interesting....

Row boat butt

jdillane · October 21, 2008 5:26AM

<< Excuse me, but he called you a "MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT."

ROFL!!! >>

Actually, it was: RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT.

I googled it and sadly, got no hits.

barbershopper · October 21, 2008 6:12AM

The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available.

That's what's on the top of the page now.

Are you out to ruin this stellar seller's reputation?
This is the second post I've read on him. How many more are there.

JET

jfoot13 · October 21, 2008 6:25AM

he could have upped the ante and went with tug boat butt or even the dredded "Destroyer Butt"

Kimchee · October 21, 2008 6:47AM

On some show I once saw an ad sign in the window of a Chinese shop that said X brand soap will give "happy fun bubbles." If I ran into a prostitute named Happy Fun Bubbles I'd have to slap some money down.

Sean

Mar327 · October 21, 2008 7:30AM

Confusious say, "He who floats down river with no paddle is RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT."

Confusious say, "He who calls other RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT may have splinters where sun does not shine."

gonzer · October 21, 2008 9:01AM

<< RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT >>

Also means Chinese Junk in da Trunk

LanLord · October 21, 2008 9:05AM

<< http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120319961399&fromMakeTrack=true

Seller is an avid buyer from China. Thinking a tip off to the Secret Service is in order since Ebay seems complicit with this nonsense.

Edited to add: After alerting seller to concerns re authenticity of his coin and that I would be reporting him to the US Secret Service (I did), Seller naturally saw fit to send me a series of vulgar emails. Then, he adds the following to his auction: TO EBAY MEMBER jdillane FROM MI. I AM WAITING YOU SEND VULGAR AND THREATNING EMAILS BACK IT UP I AM WAITING FOR YOU BIG MOUTH. RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT.

I am not certain what he means (row boat butt?) but I am hopeful that the Secret Service at least looks in to this. Not certain how ebay deals with these but gather they tend to leave them to run absent proof positive. >>

ha ha ha, I'm gonna add that to my sig line, jdillane is a rowboat butt

hanso · October 21, 2008 9:59AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AetD1bXS7Qo

BlindedByEgo · October 21, 2008 1:42PM

Read his "My Ebay". He's disabled, so you need to leave him alone.

Swampboy · October 21, 2008 2:03PM

<< AM WAITING FOR YOU BIG MOUTH. RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT. >>

<< AM WAITING FOR YOU BIG MOUTH. RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT. >>

<< AM WAITING FOR YOU BIG MOUTH. RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT. >>

Raybob15239 · October 21, 2008 11:24PM

He may have called you a River Boat Mouth Row Bow Butt; but I must be worse than you because look what he said to me:

"To pusshead,you did and i will be happy to and did your mother have any kids that wern:t mentaly challenged."

Yes, according to mystery, I am a mentally challenged pusshead.

Here is my thread...

LanLord · October 22, 2008 12:04AM

<< He may have called you a River Boat Mouth Row Bow Butt; but I must be worse than you because look what he said to me:

"To pusshead,you did and i will be happy to and did your mother have any kids that wern:t mentaly challenged."

Yes, according to mystery, I am a mentally challenged pusshead.

Here is my thread... >>

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NHSBaseball · October 22, 2008 12:44AM

<< 

<< http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120319961399&fromMakeTrack=true

Seller is an avid buyer from China. Thinking a tip off to the Secret Service is in order since Ebay seems complicit with this nonsense.

Edited to add: After alerting seller to concerns re authenticity of his coin and that I would be reporting him to the US Secret Service (I did), Seller naturally saw fit to send me a series of vulgar emails. Then, he adds the following to his auction: TO EBAY MEMBER jdillane FROM MI. I AM WAITING YOU SEND VULGAR AND THREATNING EMAILS BACK IT UP I AM WAITING FOR YOU BIG MOUTH. RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT.

I am not certain what he means (row boat butt?) but I am hopeful that the Secret Service at least looks in to this. Not certain how ebay deals with these but gather they tend to leave them to run absent proof positive. >>

ha ha ha, I'm gonna add that to my sig line, jdillane is a rowboat butt

>>

I think when jdillane reaches 10,000 posts, he should change his title to "Rowboat Butt".

jdillane · October 22, 2008 12:52AM

<< 

<< AM WAITING FOR YOU BIG MOUTH. RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT. >>

<< AM WAITING FOR YOU BIG MOUTH. RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT. >>

<< AM WAITING FOR YOU BIG MOUTH. RIVER BOAT MOUTH ROW BOAT BUTT. >>

>>

Played to a delta blues beat?

Raybob15239 · October 22, 2008 5:45AM

I googled row boat butt... it appears to be a southern colloquialism...

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jdillane · October 22, 2008 6:29AM

Hmmm.... so I googled again and there are hits. Wonder what happened when I tried initially. Granted I did not look past the first page. This time the first hit is from Sean Hannity's blog followed by the CU forum.

nycounsel · October 22, 2008 6:33AM

seriously, legit or not -- River Boat Mouth Row Boat Butt??!!

lol, I'm a fan.

rhedden · October 22, 2008 6:48AM

River Boat Mouth Row Boat Butt: words of a man who just realized he spent $5,000 of his hard-earned money on a fake 1795 dollar at a country auction, because he thought he could flip in on ebay for $8,100.

Here's a fake 1795 DBSE Dollar offered as legit! (Update: Seller calls me out right in auction desc

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