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Representative Frank Lucas, a Republican who represents Oklahoma’s 3rd District and a coin collector, introduced H.R. 6942 “to provide for the return of the half-dime as the new 5-cent circulating coin.”

The text of the bill is very simple, it calls for the removal of “Paragraph (5) of section 5112(a) of title 31, United States Code” (31 U.S.C. §5112(a)) that describes the current nickel as “a 5-cent coin that is 0.835 inch in diameter and weighs 5 grams.” In its place, the bill calls for “a clad half-dime that is based on the size and shape of the half-dime or 5-cent coin produced in the 1870s.”

If the bill is not buried in committee, more exacting standards will have to be added when it goes through mark-up.

The half-dime that Rep. Lucas refers to are the Liberty Seated half-dimes designed by Christian Gobrecht. Liberty Seated half-dimes were in production from 1837-1873. Those coins weighed 1.34 grams and were 15.5 millimeters (0.610 inch) in diameter with reeded edges. Half-dimes of that era were struck in .900 silver and .100 copper.

Shield Nickels, designed by James B. Longacre, were put into circulation in 1866 using the .750 copper and .250 nickel composition still in use today.

The purpose of the bill is aimed at lowering the price to strike 5-cent coins so that their production does not cost more than their face value. In this case, rather than a 5-gram coin that is .750 copper and .250 nickel whose metal values are approximately $0.0477 (based on the market close as of September 19), it would be a smaller coin made with .9167 copper and .0833 nickel—clad coinage is a .750 copper and .250 nickel cover around a pure copper core. The metal value of the new coin would be $0.0146, or approximately 70-percent less than the current coin in the cost of metals.

As with any change to our change, there will be resistance. Aside from the social impact, the most significant resistance could come from the vending machine operators who would have to worry about accepting the new coins. Banks and coin counting services could complain about the increased cost in handling a new coin type.

H.R. 6942 has little chance of passing, regardless of any merits. It was introduced on September 18, 2008, with no co-sponsors and referred to the House Financial Service Committee. The introduction came during a week that congress was asked to approve a $700 billion bailout of the financial industry.

Congress is scheduled to go into recess on September 26 so that members can conduct their campaigns. They will not return to Washington until after the November election. At that time, the lame duck congress will have to resolve any budget issues not passed before the fall recess. I doubt any “non-essential” bill will be considered before the final adjournment of the 110th Congress.
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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,247 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If they do it you can then call me an official modern crap collector. image I'd be all over a new half dime series like stink on poop.


  • << <i>If they do it you can then call me an official modern crap collector. image I'd be all over a new half dime series like stink on poop. >>



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  • That might actually make me start buying proof and mint sets again. I wonder who they'd put on the obverse? My vote goes to Jimmy Carter. It's time he has his own coin.image
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  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    A half dime in .900 fine silver was authorized in 1942 as an emergency substitute for the five-cent copper-nickel coin. Designs were made by mint engraver John Sinnock, but the coin was never produced. Two of the designs, Ben Franklin and the Liberty bell, were used by Gilroy Roberts in 1947 when he prepared the new half dollar.

    See the illustrated article in Coin World, about 3 years ago.
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,247 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My vote goes to Jimmy Carter. It's time he has his own coin.image >>

    Puhlease! Reagan if it has to be a president. Ideally they'd put Liberty on it. image
  • jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭
    Lets go retro! I'd like to see either the FH or the DBHE. If the DBHE, they would need to reverse the arrows and the olive branch!
  • That's a good idea. It sure beats all the ugly yellow crap that's been minted in the last 10 years 'er so.
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Logical. After all, why the heck is the nickel larger than the dime? It made sense years ago when we based everything on metal value, but no more.

    Plus, I never like Jeff nickels anyway. image
  • In all seriousness- I think it'd be super-cool to put the liberty cap deign on a half dime that was used for one of the patterns- I can't remember which one- that was similar to the one used in Mexican coinage. A simple design for a small coin.

    Just a thought- I know it's all fantasy anyway.
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  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    Makes absolutely no sense to put out a new 5c coin. We should be at one decimal place precision, an eliminate the need for a 1c, 5c and 25c denomination minor coin. Only need 10c and (reasonably sized) 50c and then some dollar and multidollar ones to consider. It is unbelievable that so many people fail to comprehend inflation and the reduction of the buying power of the dime. Sales tax and gasoline pump prices will average out ok if rounding up and down is the law. Various industries will repackage quantities easily and the vending machine industry will reluctantly accommodate as needed. (If we are going to subsidize those guys for years through status quo, we have a problem.)

    The best would e to say bu-bye to the dead presidents in 2010 and relaunch Liberty-based designs for new 10c and 50 ....pieces.
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  • Maybe the mint can operate like they have done in the past. Go back to the last year Half Dimes where minted--1873. Pickup that design. Put in the 2008 or 2009 date and go for it!
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Won't happen, IMO. I suspect the consensus is that the coin would be much too small to be accepted.

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