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Ok, so I sent this coin off with some other beauties to NGC and I just received the grade today. I was wondering what grade the experienced Franklin collectors would assign to this coin. Thanks, I will list the results later...
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If grading could be done via images over the computer - then there would really be no need to submit the actual coin to the grading services now would there
The surfaces are virtually mark free, but the luster is a little dull. So I guess the luster held it back.
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<< <i>I detect some slight rub on the high points....could be the lighting.....au-55 to 58 >>
I guess I'll retract my AU 58 opinion.
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<< <i>with NGC, a ms68 >>
You're obviously not familiar with NGC's grading of business strike Franklins. All in all, they're very comparable with PCGS at the 64-65 level. They tend to favor luster a bit more than PCGS. PCGS seems to favor strike a bit more. NGC is definitely tighter with the FBL designation.
The Omaha Bank Hoard coins certified by NGC are another story. Most of those that I've seen are overgraded.
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But you gotta take the good with the bad.
<< <i>From the resent ngc submission, they really have tightened up on the grading. 2 coins that were submitted graded 1 point higher than anticipated, a 1957p Franklin ms66 and a 1958-d ms67! But a few graded less than anticipated. I was really surprised.
But you gotta take the good with the bad. >>
I'd love to see a pic of the 58D and I'd love to buy the 57....if it's white and lustrous.
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I have an NGC MS64 in hand and its sure not as nice as yours!
<< <i>a lock MS-67 with star ?? must be one hellov'a Franklin ! >>
The 58-d I spoke of earlier was a quarter. Sorry about that, the 57p was a franklin but the 58-d was a quarter. pics -->
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Is his case would it have been better to give it dip rather than take a 2-3 pt penalty for lack of luster!!??
This is episode points to "Yes" ?
And the 57-D looks like a 66.
Crack 'em and send them to PCGS.
One thing I have learned from submitting close to 1000 frankies, never accept an undergrade if you and several other experienced submitters think the TPG got it wrong. There is enuff upside in those two coins (the 57D only because of the wonderful toning) to justify another grading fee.
You might consider a quick dip on the 59-D...
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You're obviously not familiar with NGC's grading of business strike Franklins. All in all, they're very comparable with PCGS at the 64-65 level. They tend to favor luster a bit more than PCGS.
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I don't think so. NGC is much looser on luster than PCGS, not tighter.
<< <i>The other Franklin was a 57-d that graded ms 65, No star. The toning is rather nice for a 57-d, but I guess it wasn't nice enough for the star designation.
..THIS is a reeeeeeeeeeel pretty 57-D
SELL IT to me @125$
<< <i>Sounds like I'm the minority, but I would have to agree with the grade, particularly since the OP stated that the coin is a little dull. There's alot of clean surfaced but dull and not attractive Frankies out there.
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You're obviously not familiar with NGC's grading of business strike Franklins. All in all, they're very comparable with PCGS at the 64-65 level. They tend to favor luster a bit more than PCGS.
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I don't think so. NGC is much looser on luster than PCGS, not tighter. >>
AHHH rony ; ............bingo for you again - and the strike ?? has little to do in grading MS64 and MS65 coins in my opinion
<< <i>I'm gonna hold on to it until I find a nicer one. Then I will know where to sell this one.
oh , you may find one better - but it might cost you an arm and a leg !
better to dump this pretty one @ 150$$ !!!!!!!!!!
but i will always be a buyer of color and surfaces like that
As far as nicks dings etc. it looks clean enough to 66. The luster must really suck for it to have downgraded 2 points. I would have thought it a lock for a 65.
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<< <i>1959-D's often come nicely struck and NGC is picky on FBL so the non-fbl is not too surprising. To me it depends on what is happening with the upper set of lines on the far right side (e.g. around 4 o'clock)... hard to tell, but looks like a fade-out from the image.
As far as nicks dings etc. it looks clean enough to 66. The luster must really suck for it to have downgraded 2 points. I would have thought it a lock for a 65. >>
I agree... I believe what another board member said that if the coin was dipped before sent in for grading the grade could have been a lot better. Maybe they didn't like the toning and the scattered spots on the obverse.
It made FBL.......justy came back MS64......the luster doesn't look that bad in hand....more of a satin look as someone else pointed out.
<< <i>Sounds like I'm the minority, but I would have to agree with the grade, particularly since the OP stated that the coin is a little dull. There's alot of clean surfaced but dull and not attractive Frankies out there.
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You're obviously not familiar with NGC's grading of business strike Franklins. All in all, they're very comparable with PCGS at the 64-65 level. They tend to favor luster a bit more than PCGS.
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I don't think so. NGC is much looser on luster than PCGS, not tighter. >>
Maybe lately, but I completed my white set about 4 or 5 years ago. I looked at many hundreds of PCGS/NGC Frankies in the 65 grade. Overall, the more lustrous coins were in the NGC holders and the better struck coins were in the PCGS holders. Granted, not a scientific sampling, but this is what I saw repeatedly.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
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<< <i>Sounds like I'm the minority, but I would have to agree with the grade, particularly since the OP stated that the coin is a little dull. There's alot of clean surfaced but dull and not attractive Frankies out there.
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You're obviously not familiar with NGC's grading of business strike Franklins. All in all, they're very comparable with PCGS at the 64-65 level. They tend to favor luster a bit more than PCGS.
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I don't think so. NGC is much looser on luster than PCGS, not tighter. >>
Maybe lately, but I completed my white set about 4 or 5 years ago. I looked at many hundreds of PCGS/NGC Frankies in the 65 grade. Overall, the more lustrous coins were in the NGC holders and the better struck coins were in the PCGS holders. Granted, not a scientific sampling, but this is what I saw repeatedly. >>
Ohh, the white coins in 65 NGC holders. Those would be either the roll quality coins or the dipped ones. Look for those coins in PCGS 64 holders.
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<< <i>ok. NGC graded it ms 64 FBL.
The surfaces are virtually mark free, but the luster is a little dull. So I guess the luster held it back. >>
Always luster!
Experienced collectors, dealers will flip through boxes fairly quickly, waiting for the Luster to pop out.
A PCGS 66 will usually have good luster. A 67 usually blast luster.
<< <i>The other Franklin was a 57-d that graded ms 65, No star. The toning is rather nice for a 57-d, but I guess it wasn't nice enough for the star designation.
I'm guessing it barely made 65. A lot of collectors get lost in the color, and fail to consider the luster. Luster has to be there for 66 and higher, and especially accompanied by a star