1965 Jefferson Proof Like Circulation Strike

Windycity · September 22, 2008 10:13AM

Didn't know these came in proof like - obverse anyway

SUMORADA · September 22, 2008 10:16AM

SMS...?

SanctionII · September 22, 2008 10:19AM

You may have stumbled across a 1965 SMS Jefferson with Cameo contrast. Some of these SMS coins are very high quality and look like Cameo proofs. Some are one sided Cameos and some are two sided.

Rick Tomoska wrote a book on 1950-70 Cameo Proof and SMS coinage that is very informational on the topic. It also has a substantial number of pictures of these coins.

Windycity · September 22, 2008 10:35AM

This coin was pulled from an original bank wrapped roll... I picked up 13 rolls recently. It is a general circulation strike. The reverse does not have the same proof like appearance and looks similar to most circulation strike. I've looked a hundreds of SMS coins and I am certain this is not one.

19Lyds · September 22, 2008 10:41AM

I'm thinking a lot of folks are going to disagree with you on this one.

PCGS would grade it as an SMS coin. No if's, and's or but's.

cladking · September 22, 2008 10:49AM

Almost all the moderns come in PL but they make about the
same number for mint sets as for the rest of the circulation
strikes. Since so few coins are saved it means almost all PL's
come from mint sets.

The problem is exascerbated by the fact that SMS dies were
used to strike coins for circulation in San Francisco. At least
some of these are PL but this is, ironically, the source of very
few PL's in all probability.

SUMORADA · September 22, 2008 11:15AM

This coin was pulled from an original bank wrapped roll... I picked up 13 rolls recently. It is a general circulation strike. The reverse does not have the same proof like appearance and looks similar to most circulation strike. I've looked a hundreds of SMS coins and I am certain this is not one.

Can you show a pic of the rim?

Windycity · September 22, 2008 11:40AM

Edge images as requested...

sumdunce · September 22, 2008 11:58AM

I have a 1965 dime in an NGC slab at MS67 that PCGS wanted to drop into a SMS67 slab.

The trouble with 1965-1967 is the mint used some of the old SMS dies for business strikes. Therefore, really nice looking coins, business struck or not, may end up with SMS designation.

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FullStepJeffs · September 22, 2008 1:24PM

Is it just my monitor that makes this coin look so dark I can't see the coin well enough to make a comment either way?

Steve

Type2 · September 22, 2008 1:27PM

I think it is a SMS. but I can be wrong.

leothelyon · September 26, 2008 1:46PM

I've heard of these, similar to the frosted prooflike 1964-D nickels. Another strike for this era is a 1964 proof, possibly SMS with satiny or frosted devices and/including the fields. In other words, the entire coin, both fields and devices appear frosted but with a mild frost. The is no contrast between the fields and devices as can be seen with your mainsteam proofs, deep mirrors with white frosted devices. Possibly similar to the two types of 1950 proof nickels. I've seen a few hundred 1964 proofs and sms nickels but this one always gets my attention and I haven't figured out why.
But anyways, cladking, have you heard of or have any inf. on this type of strike?

Leo

cladking · September 26, 2008 2:53PM

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But anyways, cladking, have you heard of or have any inf. on this type of strike?
>>

Not specifically but there are a lot of different finishes seen on coins
dating even back into the '50's. The only ones I've seen that appear
to be "frosted" over the entire coins, I believe, is an effect caused pri-
marily by the planchet.

keets · September 26, 2008 9:30PM

i assume it's an SMS coin that ended up in a roll like many, many other SMS issues of all denominations have.

1965 Jefferson Proof Like Circulation Strike

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