Just purchased - Aaron Rookie...trimmed?

fmclaug11 · September 16, 2008 12:41PM

Just won this auction a few minutes ago on an impulse/last second bid...never even had a chance to really notice who the seller was and what their feedback was (not usually smart I know). Even though it looks to be trimmed (looks well worn, but not sure that much border can get worn naturally), I still think I got a pretty good deal on the lot considering I can probably sell the 64' Giant for about 30-40 bucks. Don't think it looks too bad...trimmed or not. Whaddayathink?

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Ironmanfan · September 16, 2008 1:04PM

you could have done worse; rookie doesn't look trimmed to me

PoppaJ · September 16, 2008 1:07PM

VCP for the 64 Topps Giants Aaron is around $60.

You paid $91 total for the 2 cards .... $31 for the 54 Aaron is a steal!

IMHO, you did alright!

PoppaJ

nam812 · September 16, 2008 1:12PM

He probably sold the graded card with the Aaron rookie to slip it by eBay, which only allows graded copies of the Aaron rookie to be auctioned.

baseballjeff · September 16, 2008 1:14PM

Send it into PSA, it doesn't look trimmed to me, but it doesn't look real. Am I alone that thinks it looks like a copy?

Don't forget, I am just one small voice in the whole world here!

Good luck, Nice Topps Giant! And if that RC comes back in a PSA AUTH. case it'll look awesome!!!

Jeff

PoppaJ · September 16, 2008 1:27PM

<< He probably sold the graded card with the Aaron rookie to slip it by eBay, which only allows graded copies of the Aaron rookie to be auctioned. >>

Nick,

Good point ... and probably dead on.

PoppaJ

nightcrawler · September 16, 2008 1:34PM

I'm not worried for you

hockeyguy · September 16, 2008 1:36PM

<< He probably sold the graded card with the Aaron rookie to slip it by eBay, which only allows graded copies of the Aaron rookie to be auctioned. >>

why ? another new ebay policy ?

digicat · September 16, 2008 3:40PM

What's going on with the back edges on this card?

TomGshotput · September 16, 2008 4:17PM

In an Authentic holder I don't see why it couldn't bring in $100, perhaps up to $200 as a PSA 1 or 1.5. Should we be worried about counterfeits with this card?

Might be nice to add a cheap Banks and Kaline rookie along with it

Stingray · September 16, 2008 9:23PM

I collected a lot of 54s as a kid, back in the 70s that is. There was a flea market that my mom would take us to and there was a guy who had them for a quarter a piece. They were in this kind of shape and this looks real to me, IMO.

jay0791 · September 16, 2008 9:42PM

do I see a partial white border at the top?

Ihave never heard of that ebay rule...or anything like it before. Has anybody else.???
How is the measure t/b ?
nice pu anyways

nam812 · September 16, 2008 10:53PM

I can't say if the 1954 Aaron in the auction is authentic, but I do believe it to be trimmed. I scanned a miscut 1954 Aaron I once owned and placed it along side the scan from the auction in question. When a 1954 card is miscut on one border, the other border is always very thick. The Aaron from the auction has a very thin right border, but only a slightly small to normal sized left border.

jimq112 · September 16, 2008 11:16PM

When you get the Aaron, scan it. When you scan, crop down to a very small section of the card, maybe just "braves". If you don't have a good scanner you can get the same image from a loupe or good magnifying glass.

When they made cards back then, black was a solid color and everything else was print dots. Under magnification black shows up solid.

If you can magnify or scan your aaron card, you'll be able to tell the difference. If it's real, send it for grading, you got a steal. If it's not real, file SNAD and get your money back.

1954 ted williams card

1975 dan fouts card - see how the black is print dots

nightcrawler · September 17, 2008 12:05AM

<< do I see a partial white border at the top? >>

Shouldn't there be a bit of border from the other card, if this card was cut off center top to bottom?

Stingray · September 17, 2008 12:18AM

<< 

<< do I see a partial white border at the top? >>

Shouldn't there be a bit of border from the other card, if this card was cut off center top to bottom? >>

No, these cards were place top to top on the sheets.

WinPitcher · September 17, 2008 12:20AM

I do not like that card. For 31.00 though it is a decent enough gamble.

Steve

sayheykid54 · September 17, 2008 1:15AM

The 1954 Aaron rookie is a reprint with forced wear on the surfaces and edges. The top front edge of the card doesn't have a white border and neither does the perimeter of he back, the reprinted version does. Sorry for the bad news..

dizzle · September 17, 2008 1:23AM

<< The 1954 Aaron rookie is a reprint with forced wear on the surfaces and edges. The top front edge of the card doesn't have a white border and neither does the perimeter of he back, the reprinted version does. Sorry for the bad news.. >>

I was thinking the same, The wear does not look natural at all and the boarders looked wrong as well..
If the seller has everything else in slabs this card would have been too.. If legit.

Sorry this happened to you.

Stingray · September 17, 2008 1:24AM

<< The 1954 Aaron rookie is a reprint with forced wear on the surfaces and edges. The top front edge of the card doesn't have a white border and neither does the perimeter of he back, the reprinted version does. Sorry for the bad news.. >>

IMO, there is not a white border on the back of this card, it is just wear to the card.

BunchOBull · September 17, 2008 1:26AM

I agree with Stingray...I think there is hope for the card yet...trimmed? Probable. Real? Possible.

dizzle · September 17, 2008 1:31AM

The pictures are also cropped different as well. Look at how much of the goldish background is between his hat and right boarder on the OP's compared to Nicks.

fmclaug11 · September 17, 2008 4:52AM

Thanks for all the comments/insight...I too think the edge wear looks a little strange, but we'll have to see what it looks like when I have it in hand.... I will check it under a loupe and also post some better scans when I get it.

Any other tell-tale signs of a fake that I can look for on this card other than the black print dots?

nightcrawler · September 17, 2008 7:42AM

<< IMO, there is not a white border on the back of this card, it is just wear to the card. >>

I agree, it almost looks like it was worn with a belt sander.

SS · September 17, 2008 8:32AM

Looks like you got a nice 64 Topps Giant.

fmclaug11 · September 20, 2008 4:22AM

Received the Aaron card today and compared it under a loupe to a 54 Warren Spahn. It's pretty clearly a fake...You can see the dots forming 45 degree diagonal lines within the black letters. The wear on the ends is as strange looking in person as it is on the pictures...

WinPitcher · September 20, 2008 6:37AM

If that is the case I'd let the seller know.

He probably already knew, I'd ask for some type of refund.

Steve

WinPitcher · September 20, 2008 6:40AM

He has a PRO graded Jordan Rookie up now with PSA, GAI and BVG Jordans of various years in one lot.

Guy is a scammer.

I hope you did not leave Positive feedback yet.

Steve

brendanb438 · September 20, 2008 6:59AM

I messaged the guy about the Jordans giving him some benefit of the doubt since it looks like he doesn't normally sell cards and has been a high volume eBayer in other items. I told him bluntly that PRO is a BS grading service and that even the 86 Fleer RC looks to be a fake. I suggested pulling the auction for his sake. We shall see how he responds if he is legit or not that is for sure.

earlycalguy · September 20, 2008 7:12AM

<< I messaged the guy about the Jordans giving him some benefit of the doubt since it looks like he doesn't normally sell cards and has been a high volume eBayer in other items. I told him bluntly that PRO is a BS grading service and that even the 86 Fleer RC looks to be a fake. I suggested pulling the auction for his sake. We shall see how he responds if he is legit or not that is for sure. >>

buyers need to educate themselves and take responsibility for their own actions. anyone looking to get a deal on a pro graded jordan should know better.

fmclaug11 · September 20, 2008 7:16AM

My note:
Hello - just received the Aaron cards today and see that the 54' Aaron is not genuine. I'll be packing them up for return shipment and subsequent refund. Please let me know you've received this note. thanks-

His reply:
I believe it to be genuine. I did say the lot is "as is" , in the description. But will allow you to return the lot as I have a disappointed bidder who wanted it.

My reply:
Earl - I really wish it were genuine, but unfortunately it is not. Using a loupe you can see the small black dots that make up the black letters. This is caused by more modern printing techniques. The original has solid black ink letters. I'll get it in the mail early next week. Thanks, Forrest.

WinPitcher · September 20, 2008 7:24AM

The guy sells graded cards! If the Aaron were legit it would have been graded as well.

A PSA 1 1954 Aaron would bring more then 31.00

The guy slips worthless junk into lots with legit cards.

He did it with the Aaron rookie and is now doing it with a Jordan, If I looked at
more of his auctions I bet I'd find a pattern here.

Steve

Buccaneer · September 20, 2008 7:26AM

It is my opinion that we (as the community) should buy the card and permanently get it off the market. Why perpuate a fraud if he has a "disappointed bidder" that he can unload a conuterfeit onto?

brendanb438 · September 20, 2008 7:27AM

Wow. Now that is bullshait. He has another bidder who wants it and intends to sell it to him. On that note everyone should report his Jordans. Also I would report it via Paypal as SNAD and give him neg feedback for selling a known fake.

WinPitcher I agree completely that he knows what he is doing now because of the response to sell it to another. This is the reason he should get a neg for selling a known forgery.

WinPitcher · September 20, 2008 7:27AM

Just what I thought, he also has a Mays lot up.

3 PSA graded Mays and a 1952 UNGRADED !!

Says bid accordingly!!

Power screwer

Steve

brendanb438 · September 20, 2008 7:30AM

More Bogus Jordans

So report him for all of them...

WinPitcher · September 20, 2008 7:30AM

Also I would report it via Paypal as SNAD and give him neg feedback for selling a known fake.

I'd not do anything rash until I got my refund.

If it did not come 1 week after I sent the cards in I'd do the SNAD,

When I had my refund in hand, depending on what hoops he put me through

my feedback would either be a neutral or negative.

Either way I'd say he sold me a fake.

Steve

WinPitcher · September 20, 2008 7:32AM

Just because he is selling a PRO graded Jordan does not mean it is a fake.

It could be trimmed.

Regardless, the guy is a sleaze bag.

Steve

brendanb438 · September 20, 2008 7:34AM

The Fleer icon in the top right corner of the GEM 10 seems to be colored funny next to the yellow Premier band. I thought this was a known counterfeit? He was even asked a question about it and says I don't deal in cards, but the grading company says it is legit so it is.

WinPitcher · September 20, 2008 7:39AM

Brendon you may be right, I'm looking at a scan that I really did not study.

Unless the card is maximized I can't tell. (even maxed i can't tell.

Actually you probably are right. I was just saying......

Steve

You meant PRO? not GEM right?

WinPitcher · September 20, 2008 7:44AM

Of course if he came here we would hear an entirely different story.

It is possible this moak has no idea.

I just find it funny that he is moving junk with legit.

Steve

fmclaug11 · September 20, 2008 7:59AM

I'm considering just keeping it (and getting it off the market)...after all it did only cost me around $31. I already have a bit of a 'popular fakes' collection going as I have a nice Jordan, Gretzky and several Roses (the Roses have counterfeit stamped on the back from the famous LA bust a few years back). This might be a nice addition to it. If I do, anyone want to buy the 64' Topps Giant from the auction? I guess VCP was $60...any takers at that amount delivered?

brendanb438 · September 20, 2008 8:05AM

<< I'm considering just keeping it (and getting it off the market)...after all it did only cost me around $31. I already have a bit of a 'popular fakes' collection going as I have a nice Jordan, Gretzky and several Roses (the Roses have counterfeit stamped on the back from the famous LA bust a few years back). This might be a nice addition to it. If I do, anyone want to buy the 64' Topps Giant from the auction? I guess VCP was $60...any takers at that amount delivered? >>

I hope you still neg him for selling a fake. Otherwise he will continue to rip people off.

KbKards · September 20, 2008 8:39AM

From the listing.

Return policy details: If dissatisfied with any items(s), return them as received within 7 days for full refund of the purchase price.

Tell him it's fake, send it back, get your money back, and be done with it.
Maybe he knows maybe he doesn't but you don't have to be the one who gets stuck with it.

Sportsamerica · September 20, 2008 9:14AM

Do you think the '52 Mays he is selling is fake? If so, why would someone make it so off center on the back....

May Auction

WinPitcher · September 20, 2008 9:35AM

I don't know if it is fake, could be trimmed?

Why not have it graded as well?

The same question could have been asked of the Aaron.

Steve

Just purchased - Aaron Rookie...trimmed?

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