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When the dust settles, the big banks will emerge stronger than ever. Should the auction firms start

Personally, I think it is terrible that venerable banking institutions, such as Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, have gone the way of the dinosaur. However, I think that the big corporate conglomerates that have gobbled them up will be bigger and better than ever, and the banking industry as a whole will be stronger and more robust. Sometimes, bigger is better, because it allows you to weather the storm due to your financial strength.

Personally, I think there are too many coin auction firms (not even counting the electronic auction firms). I have no inside knowledge about these firms, but one can only assume that certain of the firms are financially stronger than others. Given the uncertain economic times, and the looming coin recession, does anyone think that it is finally time to have some consolidation in the coin auction business, and have a fewer number of firms, but which are much stronger? On a selfish note, I would want to avoid the government bailing out one or more of these coin auction firms, so perhaps now is the time to consolidate and strenghten, before it is too late. What do you think?

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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    " Personally, I think it is terrible that venerable banking institutions, such as Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, have gone the way of the dinosaur. However, I think that the big corporate conglomerates that have gobbled them up will be bigger and better than ever, and the banking industry as a whole will be stronger and more robust. Sometimes, bigger is better, because it allows you to weather the storm due to your financial strength."

    I don't agree with your premise. The size of the bank had nothing to do with their downfall, and was really due to bad investments and greed (P.S. it's still not over).
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Of course the big boys in charge will walk away none the worse for the wear financialwise when in reality they ought to be strung up by the nads in public. not sure whay the auctions should consolidate; competition is better for the collector than is a monopoly IMO.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Keep in mind there are two “kinds” of banks:

    1. Investment banks – mostly the ones you see getting pounded
    2. Commercial banks – mostly regional and local banks that deal with businesses and consumers.

    Investment banks tend to be all over the place in safety but that’s difficult to judge because of the way they report income and the absence of most objective regulation.

    Most commercial banks (aka “retail” banks) are OK except for the ones that made many high risk loans in real estate development and fraudulent mortgages. Speculation and confusion has tended to push down share prices of commercial banks even when they have little exposure to problem loans.

    Prior to the Banking Act of 1934, a great many banks were both investment and retail, thus damaging performance when one part of their portfolio deteriorated. Roosevelt administration laws eliminated much of the speculation and self-dealing once common in commercial banking.
  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    I think there is _MORE_ room for additional auction firms. As eBay disintegrates and sellers migrate to highly specialized auction sites, I think that is an opportunity for market fragmentation, not consolidation. If it were consolidation, it's probably eBay that would purchase other auction sites and turn it into their own brand of mess. I don't want that.

    How is Lehman Brothers venerable? That company was created in the year 1993. It propelled itself forward on a mountain of credit at a time of low interest rates, leveraging itself higher as it went. That company chose their path willfully. The name sounds old. It is a deception. I could say more. Stifle.

    I sure hope someone on the inside who can see all of what is going on writes a good book about it in a few years.


  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Folks, this question is about auction houses, not banks. Even I added a paragraph about banks. But please at least address the main question. I guess that high finance is what is on everyones mind.

    [edit] Or not. Whatever. Let me try not to project my stress onto this forum.

  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    I think the correction in the financial services segment of our economy -- a segment that takes a lot of profit while providing very little true value -- was long overdue.

    That said, consolidation is typically a reactive action, rather than a preemptive one, so I don't think the premise of your question makes sense. Furthermore, I'm not sure that consolidation of auction firms would really increase their competitive position.

    Respectfully submitted...Mike
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.

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