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Wandering Sainty....IS THIS A GOOD COIN?? NOW I sure hope so!!

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  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Um.

    Not one cent.

  • SilverEagles92SilverEagles92 Posts: 6,787 ✭
    At least a thousand times what it was worth in 1793 image
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  • MORGANHUNTER2MORGANHUNTER2 Posts: 4,473 ✭
    Actually since it is copper- it might be worth 2.3 cents in todays market for copper.

    I say melt it with the rest of the crappy copper.

    I have 10 pounds of it now from my job!image
  • rgCoinGuyrgCoinGuy Posts: 7,478 ✭
    Wow, this is the most generous giveway ever! Thank you for the chance.
    imageQuid pro quo. Yes or no?
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What's it worth today?image >>

    More than I can afford.



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  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,727 ✭✭✭
    What a dumbazz I am to think I'd actually get a numismatic answer.

    Let's try again.

    This is a 1793 Wreath and Bars AU58 PCGS Large Cent.

    Is this a good coin? What is it worth today?image
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    What do you mean by "is it a good coin"? Doctored? Good Investment? Properly graded?




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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What a dumbazz I am to think I'd actually get a numismatic answer.

    Let's try again.

    This is a 1793 Wreath and Bars AU58 PCGS Large Cent.

    Is this a good coin? What is it worth today?image >>




    Have you tried Heritage Auction Archives? image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Oh, I get it. A numismatic answer.

    This is NOT a "Good" coin.

    This IS an "Almost Uncirculated" coin.

    "Good" coins are far more worn.

    Come on, you knew that!

  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭
    55K
    Paul
  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,727 ✭✭✭


    << <i>55K >>



    That's a start.

    No wonder most of the smart guys left this place.

    I think a roomfull of monkeys could type Shakespeare's entire works faster than you nimrods. image
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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>55K >>



    That's a start.

    No wonder most of the smart guys left this place.

    I think a roomfull of monkeys could type Shakespeare's entire works faster than you nimrods. image >>




    You know Jay, if you weren't so busy causing trouble on the OFR you could have looked it up!!! image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,727 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>55K >>



    That's a start.

    No wonder most of the smart guys left this place.

    I think a roomfull of monkeys could type Shakespeare's entire works faster than you nimrods. image >>




    You know Jay, if you weren't so busy causing trouble on the OFR you could have looked it up!!! image >>



    Looking at history isn't an indicator of what this is worth.

    I still don't have a single opinion other than a price. How pathetic.
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  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    Seeing the date and seeing who posted it, it's probably one of the first coins that the US Mint ever made and is freaking priceless to boot.

    "I don't collect this series (TM)", but it looks very MS and uncirculated. Probably has a history of who kept it, where and why. And you probably know this history and are holding out on us just to see how smart we are.

    Me? I type fast and none of it has any meaning. I do the barrel of monkeys thing for a living and have to get to work because its 10am and i'm a lazy sod.


    [edit] It's AU-58? Then, it's a perfect coin, as that is the perfect grade in my opinion for an old, old coin. Just a bit of circulation to show it's honest. It is nice on the eyes to look at. An easy coin to like even for a newbie.


    [edit] I do not like the lighting on the obverse. It is from underneath. I would rather see Liberty's forehead lit, not the bottom of her neck. I wonder if the lighting is hiding something we cannot see on such a dark coin? This is a situation where two lights would have done better than just one.


    [edit] And now the crud on the reverse is starting to bug me.

  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,727 ✭✭✭
    I'm REALLY asking this question out of a lack of perspective. It's AU58 and I think it's a very cool coin.

    But I want OPINIONS, not wisecracks. image
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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    A cool $60k, and yes, that's a VERY good coin.
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭


    << <i>A cool $60k, and yes, that's a VERY good coin. >>


    Pssshhh, look at the bump under her chin and the weak strike.

    Not worth a whole lot in my book. image
  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,727 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A cool $60k, and yes, that's a VERY good coin. >>



    THANK YOU, MIKE! image
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  • rgCoinGuyrgCoinGuy Posts: 7,478 ✭
    I find this interesting as the three sprigs above the date, and the bow on the wreath on the reverse, appear to be different designs than that shown in the Redbook. This coin is way out of my league, but I am guessing that may be due to the vine/bar edge vs. the lettered edge designs. Redbook claims total mintage of 63,353 total amongst all three types (the third type being the strawberry leaf variety of which only 4 well worn examples are known.) Redbook pricing stops at AU 50 listed as 23,000, so I am guessing 50-75k is probably a ballpark range for the coin shown.

    Please note, I am only trying to answer numismatically and none of this information other than the price guess originated in my monkey mind. image
    imageQuid pro quo. Yes or no?
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    Jay, You are welcome. image To nitpick the coin, the obverse is a lot nicer than the reverse, where the dark spots are a bit problematic. No doubt it has the detail for AU, but I wonder where the luster is -- I'd expect quite a bit on a coin graded 58, but to be candid I do not follow coins in this price range very closely Regardless, given the coin is copper and over two hundred years old, is well centered and struck, she still looks darn nice to me...Mike
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • 1798CentCollector1798CentCollector Posts: 736
    It's an S-9. Not a rare coin. On the plus side the surfaces are clean and pretty much mark free - except for the scratch on the chin. Overall Nice planchet - no planchet defects. What I don't like about the coin is that it appears to have some roughness and the color is Darker and than I would like, and somewhat blotchy - maybe cleaned at some point long ago. Personally, I would prefer a hard smooth planchet in a high grade cent and a tan, light brown or steel brown color. It's an EAC 45 plus IMO. The S-9 is not rare in high grades with several EAC AU and MS coins in the census. Take a look at the Naftzger S-10, (Goldberg Lot 168) now thats a honey of a coin and a perfect representation of a great coin with a great planchet and color. Still this one is no doubt a very nice wreath cent.
  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,727 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It's an S-9. Not a rare coin. On the plus side the surfaces are clean and pretty much mark free - except for the scratch on the chin. Overall Nice planchet - no planchet defects. What I don't like about the coin is that it appears to have some roughness and the color is Darker and than I would like, and somewhat blotchy - maybe cleaned at some point long ago. Personally, I would prefer a hard smooth planchet in a high grade cent and a tan, light brown or steel brown color. It's an EAC 45 plus IMO. The S-9 is not rare in high grades with several EAC AU and MS coins in the census. Take a look at the Naftzger S-10, (Goldberg Lot 168) now thats a honey of a coin and a perfect representation of a great coin with a great planchet and color. Still this one is no doubt a very nice wreath cent. >>



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  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love it! The details are solid and intricate enough that you are not left guessing as to the intent of the engraver. The color appears to be original and somewhat attractive. The few spots do not detract. The planchet quality is obviously of high enough order that in the 200+ years of its existence, it shows no signs of porosity. This coin tells a story of the time that it was made, evident in the strike quality and its various weaknesses, and the centering, which is not perfect. This coin was never intended as a show piece, but rather produced en masse using the tools of the time. My feeling overall is that this coin is the result of a very fortunate combination of factors, and without even one of these, we would be looking at a far inferior piece.

    I have never really been a fan of this particular series, but have always desired to own a fortunate piece of early american copper from this era. I would be proud to own this coin.

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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>It's an S-9. Not a rare coin. On the plus side the surfaces are clean and pretty much mark free - except for the scratch on the chin. Overall Nice planchet - no planchet defects. What I don't like about the coin is that it appears to have some roughness and the color is Darker and than I would like, and somewhat blotchy - maybe cleaned at some point long ago. Personally, I would prefer a hard smooth planchet in a high grade cent and a tan, light brown or steel brown color. It's an EAC 45 plus IMO. The S-9 is not rare in high grades with several EAC AU and MS coins in the census. Take a look at the Naftzger S-10, (Goldberg Lot 168) now thats a honey of a coin and a perfect representation of a great coin with a great planchet and color. Still this one is no doubt a very nice wreath cent. >>

    This is the numismatic achievement award of the day! image >>



    Jay, Those copper guys don't know anything. They collect base metal widgets that tend to corrode. You should stick to Saints. :-) --Jerry
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's AU58 and I think it's a very cool coin.

    Yeah... but wouldn't this be stand out like a clunker coin in your collection image
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would guess Tom Reynolds will say "YES. It's a great coin ! " , but I have no clue on it's value in the market.
    Notlogical just did an interview with him that is posted our monthly Coin Club newsletter. Perhaps he could ask the expert. He tends to get straight answers from all of them.
    As for me, I would be happy to own a coin like that, but it's definitely out of my budget.

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  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    JB, save your cash for the Wreath cent in the PCGS MS68RD (YES, RED !!!!! ) slab. That "Big Penny" is SYRUP, THICK SYRUP!!!!!

    Plus, a coin like that is NATIONAL TREASURE material.

    That Naftzger Wreath, while nice, is not syrup, IMHO.

    Oh yeah, that 68RD Wreath is prolly gettin' to be a $1M+ coin..................hell, a hedge fund guy might drop $5M for it. image
  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,727 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Mac.

    I'll do that and I'll PM you my address for the check.
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  • 1798CentCollector1798CentCollector Posts: 736
    The details are all there on this coin and considering the base metal and age of the coin, it's in surperb shape. It's not a choice coin though. The sufaces are not entirely smooth and color is not there for it to be. Take a look at some the Husak wreaths that sold in Heritage's February Long Beach Sale, The S-8, Lot 1052, that sold in the Baltimore ANA Sale (Heritage). If I could afford to play at that level, was in the market fo a choce wreath and willing to spend the bucks, I'd pass and find one with absolutely hard surfaces annd nice steel brown or tan color.

  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The details are all there on this coin and considering the base metal and age of the coin, it's in surperb shape. It's not a choice coin though. The sufaces are not entirely smooth and color is not there for it to be. Take a look at some the Husak wreaths that sold in Heritage's February Long Beach Sale, The S-8, Lot 1052, that sold in the Baltimore ANA Sale (Heritage). If I could afford to play at that level, was in the market fo a choce wreath and willing to spend the bucks, I'd pass and find one with absolutely hard surfaces annd nice steel brown or tan color. >>



    so in summary, not a "SYRUP" coin and a saintguru pass.

    Copper guys are totally into their series/specialty, I like that aspect of numismatics
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,561 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This turned into quite an informative and entertaining thread. image
  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,727 ✭✭✭
    WELL...I hope it's good.

    I own it. image

    I am NOT collecting these. I like adding a type coin once in a while. image
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  • CaptainRonCaptainRon Posts: 1,189 ✭✭
    Congrats.
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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    Jay, I'd say you picked up a nice looking coin there. I don't really see much downside in it.
  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,727 ✭✭✭
    THANKS.

    I'm VERY pleased.

    First year coinage...how can you not love it? image
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  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424 ✭


    << <i>THANKS.

    I'm VERY pleased.

    First year coinage...how can you not love it? image >>



    By reading 1798CentCollectors post. image

    I'd love to own that coin though! It's a couple steps above our 'type set' though. image
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,727 ✭✭✭


    << <i> >>



    SPEECHLESS!!image
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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>WELL...I hope it's good.

    I own it. image

    I am NOT collecting these. I like adding a type coin once in a while. image >>


    And a damn nice type coin at that. Nothing wrong with some chocolate syrup on your pancakes once in a while.
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  • 1798CentCollector1798CentCollector Posts: 736
    Congratulations SG...... and it IS a very nice coin and example of a '93 Wreath, !!! Who could not love early copper. image
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't wait for some REAL pics! image

    You can now also post in the Copper for the Weekend and Super Slider Saturday Sunday threads! image

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  • PawPaulPawPaul Posts: 5,845 ✭
    it do not look like natural surfaces to me

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