IKE 1971-S SB S/S RPM - worthy of all the fuss?
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Greetings from Ike-land.
The IKE GROUP's new web site, www.ikegroup.org , is finally being born. So far there are reports that the head and neck are showing. . . The birthing process will take another 2-3 weeks but already this baby is spouting forth a lot of information, including some good pictures of the only Ike RPM.
This thread is to present some decent pictures of the S/S from our Forum and to show why the S/S can not be cherried from intact pliofilm housing.
This RPM may be the smallest coin feature with the least amount of metal to be worth four figures in MS66 because it has such an immediate impact on one's PCGS Ike Registry standing.
Is this madness? Is it legitimate in modern collecting? What say you?
Rob
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The IKE GROUP's new web site, www.ikegroup.org , is finally being born. So far there are reports that the head and neck are showing. . . The birthing process will take another 2-3 weeks but already this baby is spouting forth a lot of information, including some good pictures of the only Ike RPM.
This thread is to present some decent pictures of the S/S from our Forum and to show why the S/S can not be cherried from intact pliofilm housing.
This RPM may be the smallest coin feature with the least amount of metal to be worth four figures in MS66 because it has such an immediate impact on one's PCGS Ike Registry standing.
Is this madness? Is it legitimate in modern collecting? What say you?
Rob
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Modern dollars are like children - before you know it they'll be all grown up.....
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thanks! Rob
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This is just an RPM so it;s really not a big deal.
How about the other recognized varieites that exist in this series???? 71-D DVR (or whatever the heck the freindly eagle is called) is one that comes to mind.
How many other series have such an elusive coin in their sets?
Fivaz/Stanton are good, but they clearly are no Ike experts.
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Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
You know my bias: to recognize the miniscule RPM and steadfastly ignore THE most interesting and historically important Ike, the FEV (RDV-006) is beyond my comprehension.
Of course, its ten naked-eye unique features are probably just too much for catalogers and TPG ajudicators (other than ANACS and ICG, thanks guys!): if it had just one tiny marker, would it have been recognized by now by PCGS? NGC is behaving like three famous monkeys when it comes to the FEV, at least the "See no FEV" part.
OK, back to the S/S - any other opinions?
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So far there is one "NO" vote, and I am curious to hear the reasoning behind it... I promise I won't slam your opinion, and hope the rest of us won't, either.
Aaron
BTW, this RPM is so friggin minute that I have all the confidence on the world had the CPG not published it that PCGS would have nothing to do with it. This one DOES take a microscope to truely appreciate! It can be cherried with a loupe but its really hit or miss especially with the available light at most coin shows. (BTW, I picked one up this past Sunday in Fairfield and its on its way for grading!)
Here's one I picked up recently:
Since my Camera is dead dead dead, here's my best attempt at getting a scan of the RPM:
Look to the NorthWest.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>I agree, this RPM is incredibly hard to spot, definitely not naked eye. Such a small amount of metal makes me think this will be hard to spot on EDS examples, and extremely difficult to find in later die states. I voted yes, it is over hyped due to inclusion in the Registry.
So far there is one "NO" vote, and I am curious to hear the reasoning behind it... I promise I won't slam your opinion, and hope the rest of us won't, either.
Aaron >>
Aaron, I voted according to the thread title: "IKE 1971-S SB S/S RPM - worthy of all the fuss?" to which my response is YES!
Translate my YES vote on the poll question "Is the 71-S SB Ike S/S RPM fuss madness?" to be a NO.
Here's my reasoning:
The coin can be cherried with a loupe, it is validated with a microscope the same as many DDO's and DDR's. Finding serif splits on some of these coins is a real loupe challenge but the microscope with its controlled light and even focusing makes them much more enjoyable. I am one that does not have to hold a coin at arms length to enjoy it. I like it up close an personal.
Most RPM's are best appreciated with a coin examination microscope anyway simply because you don't have to fuss with rotating the coin to get light to reflect off of it.
Does this devalue the variety?
IMO No. The microscope is simply a tool that is more readily available than it had been 25 years ago. I expect more varieties to be found with the help of this useful tool.
BTW, if you think the 1971-S/S is difficult to find with a loupe, try looking for the 1974-S/S! That one is difficult to see even with the microscope!
Should that one be recognized? Sure, why not! It is, after all, and RPM!
The name is LEE!
And CONGRATS!! on your cherry!! Rob
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SHORT IKE GROUP ARTICLE ON THE FEV
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Rob, there are 4 famous monkeys. Don't forget the "Do no evil" one.
Glad you made it back safely. Rob
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I'm a bit biased as I like the design varieties vs errors and die states. Of course, there's also the fact that I'm a lightweight in this game and haven't even finished my basic set, I keep getting distracted by all these new varieties... fortunately I am happy with my set thus far, just taking my time to find the right ones for me.
I'm also a bit down on this one because it didn't seem many cared it was in CPG until PCGS added it to the complete variety set.
71 S/S RPM PHOTOS
Rob
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I've posted a reply!
The name is LEE!
Of the S/S of course.
Keep in mind that these three were taken with lighting adjusted to bring out the S/S as much as possible. Rob
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The name is LEE!
It's moot now because it's not mine, just had the loan for photos.
If/when I find my own, I'll try your suggestion. THANKS! Rob
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That's a pretty nice looking RPM, and actually looks like an S/S/S, with the RPM to the NW and split curves.
<< <i>I have absolutely no interest in IKEs, but this is a cool thread.
That's a pretty nice looking RPM, and actually looks like an S/S/S, with the RPM to the NW and split curves. >>
This is interesting. Wexler, et al, have a full-page photo in their Ike book (2nd edition, p 181) of what they say is a 1974-S S/S RPM but Wiles writes in his Ike book (page 19) that this split S looks and behaves like an evolving doubled punch rather than a lot of identical RPM;s in '74 and '75.
The 1971-S MM, while not showing classic notches, seems to have left a majority of MM's with various degrees of subtle split, so once again we seem to have a choice of the gentleman who wielded the punch doing a double hit with some minimal displacement on the majority of his dies destined for the S-Mint, or the punch had some degree of hub doubling.
Way over my head, LOL! Rob
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I certainly hope so......................
They're out their folks but are extremely difficult to find!
The name is LEE!
Put the next one you find up for auction - it should bring more than a '71-S SB SPL (Silver Business Strike Straight Peg Leg, very rare, very hard to find) since PCGS has yet to attribute the SPL as different than the FPL. Maybe $500 - $1K???? Of course the market is not exactly roaring at present, but this Ike is understandably hot for serious Ike Registry participants. Rob
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It's really starting to look great.
<< <i>IKE 1971-S SB S/S RPM - worthy of all the fuss? >>
Well, all I can say is that the 1971-D RDV-006 aka FEV is much more worthy of being in the registry than this coin. The FEV is a "Naked Eye Variety" which can be seen easily without a loop let alone a scope.
The 1971-S/S is almost IMPOSSIBLE to see with anything less than a 3X scope
Oh well,,, maybe I am just getting OLD and my eyes are going
JMHO, GrandAm
<< <i>Lee! Congrats!!
Put the next one you find up for auction - it should bring more than a '71-S SB SPL (Silver Business Strike Straight Peg Leg, very rare, very hard to find) since PCGS has yet to attribute the SPL as different than the FPL. Maybe $500 - $1K???? Of course the market is not exactly roaring at present, but this Ike is understandably hot for serious Ike Registry participants. Rob >>
I like those prices Robby!
But, if it goes to eBay, it'll be a higher BIN with the MO button. Only 7 have been graded and I don;t think it's because folks aren;t looking for them.
As you'll see in the package I mailed you, there are either different abraded variations of this particular S/S or there are different S/S RPM's. You'll have to be the judge on that but I have run across some interesting mintmarks in my hunt.
The name is LEE!
For those following this thread, the IKE GROUP is feeling more confident that the SB Ikes (Silver Business strike) were re-frosted multiple times, possibly with full field re-polishing each time. We have some really cool evidence for this position that we think will be published in the next issue of ErrorScope.
Thus Lee's comment that the miniscule in-relief S/S could be effected or wiped out with frosting re-treatments.
That Lee is sending me several specimens that could shed light not only on the S/S but on the re-frosting issue is the kind of cooperation that has led the IKE GROUP to so many remarkable discoveries in such a short time (about which I'm really quite humble in spite of this hubristic comment, LOL!).
Cladking, THANKS! Rob
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