When do "moderns" begin?

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Mimzy
Mimzy Posts: 11
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I'd say either:

1900
1948
1964
1970
1980

I'd choose 1964. image
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  • edix2001
    edix2001 Posts: 3,388 ✭
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    When did the postmoderns begin?
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  • STONE
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    '65 and beyond is Modern for me.

    In '64 there were still coins being minted that had value (silver).
    In '65, the mint went cheap and created the clad.
  • Quarternut
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    After 1836 and the installation of the steam operated coin press...

    Although they are still somewhat interesting up until 1840. image

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  • STONE
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    << <i>After 1836 and the installation of the steam operated coin press... >>


    How old are you QN? image

    Modern after 1836 image
  • ProofRainbowRoosevelt
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    1968

    edited: only because I do have an interest in the SMS sets, hehe. But I would agree, 1965 to present could be considered "modern."
  • ChrisRx
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    I was born in 85', so anything after that image
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  • rgCoinGuy
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    << <i>'65 and beyond is Modern for me.

    In '64 there were still coins being minted that had value (silver).
    In '65, the mint went cheap and created the clad. >>



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  • lordmarcovan
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    This an oft-asked question, and varies widely with who you ask.

    For me personally, "modern" coins began in 1965, with the advent of clads.

    That also happens to be my birthyear, so anything my age or younger is "modern". Hey, it works for me.

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  • TavernTreasures
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    << <i>'65 and beyond is Modern for me.

    In '64 there were still coins being minted that had value (silver).
    In '65, the mint went cheap and created the clad. >>



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  • Quarternut
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    << <i>

    << <i>After 1836 and the installation of the steam operated coin press... >>


    How old are you QN? image

    Modern after 1836 image >>



    172... image

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  • Raybo
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    Off the top of my head i'd say.........................1950.
    No reason for that date, it just sounds like a nice round figure.

    Ray
  • OnlyGoldIsMoney
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    1965
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  • MrSpud
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    2012, when they switch to plastic image
  • COALPORTER
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    1836. Im a dork too, i guess
  • tjkillian
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    I agree with the 1836 date, but coins up to and including 1891 continued to be quite interesting.
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  • lope208
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    Generally I agree with the 1965 statement, but it's all a matter of opinion.

    If you think it's when they started taking off allegorical representations of Liberty and adding dead presidents, then you'd have an argument for 1909 with the Lincoln cent.

    If you account for the entire period of replacing our coinage with Presidents one by one, then you may think 1948.

    If you use the silver standard, then you say 1965 when clad coinage was introduced.

    If you like to cling to silver, you may say 1970 when they eliminated the last 40% from the half dollar.

    You could say 1836 like QN because of the steam press.

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    One note... "Moderns" (IMO 1965-date) are under appreciated. Some day there won't be billions of them in circulation in anymore. Hopefully sooner than later!





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  • CertifiedGoldCoins
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    How about 1982, when even copper was removed from the Cent, and the Mint resumed selling overpriced coins to the masses?
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  • zrlevin
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    I'd say it's different for each denomination.

    For me, it's modern when it has a dead guy on it (excluding classic commems).
    Zach
  • AU58WALKERS
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    1909
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  • seatedcoins
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    1965 with advent of clad coinage
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  • ricko
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    Like grading (and, as can be seen from these posts), it is all a matter of opinion... Cheers, RickO
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    1838 for me!
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  • LindeDad
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    1964 if you are submitting it to PCGS for grading.
    And as mentioned the last of the 90% silver that year.
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  • droopyd
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    1934 - the advent of roll hoarding.
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  • percyb
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    << <i>When did the postmoderns begin? >>



    I think the postmodern age has been labeled the Viet Nam era and beyond, but I may be wrong.
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  • 19Lyds
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    I think its at different time frames according to when some major design change occured which reflect today's current coinage. In other words, depiction of Dead Presidents instead of the "Classic" depiction of LIBERTY!

    Therefore:

    Cents - 1909
    Nickels - 1938
    Dimes - 1946
    Quarters - 1932
    Halves - 1963
    Dollars - 1971

    Commemoratives, fall into a different class as these were NCLT.
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  • Coll3ctor
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    << <i>This an oft-asked question, and varies widely with who you ask.

    For me personally, "modern" coins began in 1965, with the advent of clads.

    That also happens to be my birthyear, so anything my age or younger is "modern". Hey, it works for me. >>





    That is also my birth year and I agree with you.... you old fart image
  • cladking
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    1964 since there are clads of that date and silver struck with clad dies.

    Alternatively you can say that "moderns" started in around 680 BC since
    the pyramids and civilization were already very ancient by the time the
    first coins were made.
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  • renman95
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    It is determined by when you are born.image

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  • coinnut
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    << <i>I think its at different time frames according to when some major design change occured which reflect today's current coinage. In other words, depiction of Dead Presidents instead of the "Classic" depiction of LIBERTY!

    Therefore:

    Cents - 1909
    Nickels - 1938
    Dimes - 1946
    Quarters - 1932
    Halves - 1963
    Dollars - 1971

    Commemoratives, fall into a different class as these were NCLT. >>



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  • coinkat
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    The answer depends on the country and who is questioned. I think there are several good answers, but perhaps the introduction of milled coinage is as reasonable of an answer as any.

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  • RYK
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    The year I was born.


















    1965
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  • lcoopie
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    << <i>The year I was born.


    1965 >>



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  • ChrisRx
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    1794 image
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  • MidLifeCrisis
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    << <i>After 1836 and the installation of the steam operated coin press...

    Although they are still somewhat interesting up until 1840. image >>


    I happen to like and agree with this answer.
  • sumnom
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    << <i>I think its at different time frames according to when some major design change occured which reflect today's current coinage. In other words, depiction of Dead Presidents instead of the "Classic" depiction of LIBERTY!

    Therefore:

    Cents - 1909
    Nickels - 1938
    Dimes - 1946
    Quarters - 1932
    Halves - 1963
    Dollars - 1971

    Commemoratives, fall into a different class as these were NCLT. >>



    This is how I think of it except I would say 1948 for halves.
  • sumnom
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    << <i>

    << <i>After 1836 and the installation of the steam operated coin press...

    Although they are still somewhat interesting up until 1840. image >>


    I happen to like and agree with this answer. >>



    I like this answer as well. I usually think in terms of design but a technological categorization works well too.
  • 291fifth
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    1934.
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  • edix2001
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    << <i>

    << <i>When did the postmoderns begin? >>



    I think the postmodern age has been labeled the Viet Nam era and beyond, but I may be wrong. >>



    This would bring up a point:
    In culture, the modern period begins with cubism in the 1920s and the postmodern movement takes over in the 1960s, which is curiously where many here locate so-called modern coin designs.
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  • LeeBone
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    << <i>'65 and beyond is Modern for me.

    In '64 there were still coins being minted that had value (silver).
    In '65, the mint went cheap and created the clad. >>



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  • fc
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    << <i>1934. >>



    amazing how we agree so often. i was reading and reading waiting
    for someone to post this date.

  • cladking
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    << <i>

    << <i>'65 and beyond is Modern for me.

    In '64 there were still coins being minted that had value (silver).
    In '65, the mint went cheap and created the clad. >>


    >>



    I'm not going to argue about whether or not clads have value but
    would certainly suggest that this proposed division doesn't work since
    there was no change in the cent or nickel. I would even point out
    that silver coinage was still being made as late as February 1966.

    The biggest change is that the perception arose that coins no longer
    had value. This in itself wasn't a substantial change but it led to people
    no longer saving new coins and means many post 1964 coins are rare
    as a result.

    From the earliest times of our nation's history there were people who
    believed the coins were important so they were saved intentionally.
    They believed the coins were worth their weight in metal so they were
    saved accidently as well. Collectors from around the world set our
    coins aside and many more were stored in banks.

    That stopped in 1965 because most collectors believed (and still believe)
    that our "new" coins have no value.

    And, yes, this event did occur all over the world at different dates since
    1945. Many of the rarest coins in the world were made in large numbers.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • cladking
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    << <i>

    << <i>1934. >>



    amazing how we agree so often. i was reading and reading waiting
    for someone to post this date. >>




    1934 is when people started saving new coins in huge numbers. 1965 is when they stopped.

    I usually suispect that those who say 1934 don't really believe there have been any coins since 1964. image
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    << <i>

    << <i>I think its at different time frames according to when some major design change occured which reflect today's current coinage. In other words, depiction of Dead Presidents instead of the "Classic" depiction of LIBERTY!

    Therefore:

    Cents - 1909
    Nickels - 1938
    Dimes - 1946
    Quarters - 1932
    Halves - 1963
    Dollars - 1971

    Commemoratives, fall into a different class as these were NCLT. >>



    This is how I think of it except I would say 1948 for halves. >>


    Agreed
  • sumnom
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    Another way to think about would be as follows:

    cents: 1909
    nickels: 1913
    dimes: 1916
    quarters: 1916
    halves: 1916
    dollars: 1921
    quarter eagle: 1908
    half eagle: 1908
    eagle: 1907
    double eagle: 1907

    In terms of aesthetics and style, coin designs radically departed from the past and reflected contemporary aesthetic sensibilities in the early twentieth century. The dime, quarter, and half in particular really took a contemporary turn in 1916. The same is true for gold coinage in 1907. The smaller denominations show a strong Art Nouveau influence while the gold coins exhibit a different but clearly modern sensibility. Even the cent with its stylized wheat ears in 1909 show something of the modern. I don't think there had ever been a stylized design on US coinage before. Even the font of the reverse legends is "modern."
  • 500Bay
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    The term "modern" is a moving target.

    Maybe it is when the current coin design of a denomination began, maybe it when the medal content changed, etc.

    If it is the medal content changing, it really should be the most current change..

    For me: a modern coin is a coin born after I was born.
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  • SeaEagleCoins
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    I personally break it down into 3 basic categories...

    Pre-Presidential coinage - I consider these to be CLASSIC American coins...

    Presidential coinage - Began in 1909 and evolved with each new additional denomination change

    Modern coinage - 1965 to present (edited to add --- AKA "Political Coinage")
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    tomorrow.
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    << <i>I personally break it down into 3 basic categories...

    Pre-Presidential coinage - I consider these to be CLASSIC American coins...

    Presidential coinage - Began in 1909 and evolved with each new additional denomination change

    Modern coinage - 1965 to present (edited to add --- AKA "Political Coinage") >>



    Sounds good to me...
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  • JrGMan2004
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    1964, but I also include all Franklins, Washingtons, Roosevelts, Lincolns, and Jeffersons even prior to that date as being moderns, since these series extend into the Modern time frame.
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