Grade opinions on this 1927-S Lincoln
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I have here a new purchase... 1927-S Lincoln Cent. It just broke free of it's tomb for the Dansco. I will post the slab later for those that like to see the forum opionion versus the slaber's opinion. BTW it was not a PCGS or NGC slab. I read mixed reviews on past threads so this will be interesting.
Here are my photos. Not near as nice as many of yours but it's what you get.
Edited to add another set of photos from a DinoLite. Color is still off because of those LEDs but it's another view without my camera shake.
The slab: SEGS MS-64 Brown
Here are my photos. Not near as nice as many of yours but it's what you get.
Edited to add another set of photos from a DinoLite. Color is still off because of those LEDs but it's another view without my camera shake.
The slab: SEGS MS-64 Brown
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For some reason, this date in particular seems to have very few higher-grade specimens that survive with their original skin.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<< <i>I don't think his coin is cleaned. I think his first and third set of photos are disastrous. >>
If it helps any, the background is solid black and the color in the second set is the best. The color is obviously off in the first and last set, they were added because they offered a different view of the "detail".
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<< <i>I don't think his coin is cleaned. I think his first and third set of photos are disastrous. >>
If it helps any, the background is solid black and the color in the second set is the best. The color is obviously off in the first and last set, they were added because they offered a different view of the "detail". >>
That's pretty much what I figured. The first set of pics appear to be overexposed, giving the impression of an old cleaning. The lighting is also off for the third set, and it appears you may have tried to make some corrections there using photoshop.
<< <i>The first set of pics appear to be overexposed, giving the impression of an old cleaning. The lighting is also off for the third set, and it appears you may have tried to make some corrections there using photoshop. >>
OK, I added a DionLite photo group for a different view. The third set I did not mess with in photoshop other than cropping.
I just adjusted the contrast in the first set to get away from the overexposed look and change that grey looking background into the black background it is supposed to be. It does look a little better now.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<< <i>AU-53 details - Scratched on reverse? >>
If you are refering to the dark streak across the top of the "E" it is just a dark streak, no scratch.
<< <i>How about an update on this one. Who was the TPG and what was their grade? >>
The slab was an SEGS ms-64 Brown. I knew the cent was not a MS-64 but it was also no where near 64 money either. It is not the best strike but it has a better strike and detail than any 27-S's I've seen for a while. They are just tough to find. My opinion is that this is about an AU-55. Not PQ enough for a 58 and just does not look MS although I see very little if any definate wear. Although not the nice solid strike AU I want for long term, it replaces that VF30 I had in the hole which my eye always drifted to. The hunt is still on for a nice looking full strike 55/58.
This was my first experience with SEGS. My opinion from this one is that they are definately overgraded. BTW them slabs are tough. PCGS should look at that set up, the plastic is not as brittle and is well sealed. A slab crackers nightmare.
For those that replied, thanks for your comments. Tyler1924S thanks for your help and advice. I obviously need some photography practice.
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<< <i>How about an update on this one. Who was the TPG and what was their grade? >>
The slab was an SEGS ms-64 Brown. I knew the cent was not a MS-64 but it was also no where near 64 money either. It is not the best strike but it has a better strike and detail than any 27-S's I've seen for a while. They are just tough to find. My opinion is that this is about an AU-55. Not PQ enough for a 58 and just does not look MS although I see very little if any definate wear. Although not the nice solid strike AU I want for long term, it replaces that VF30 I had in the hole which my eye always drifted to. The hunt is still on for a nice looking full strike 55/58.
This was my first experience with SEGS. My opinion from this one is that they are definately overgraded. BTW them slabs are tough. PCGS should look at that set up, the plastic is not as brittle and is well sealed. A slab crackers nightmare.
For those that replied, thanks for your comments. Tyler1924S thanks for your help and advice. I obviously need some photography practice. >>
I would not be much help with photography advice, because my camera is a relic from the 3rd Century. I posted a thread a few days ago seeking grade opinions for a 1928-S Lincoln, and I had to snap 166 pics just to get four that I thought were good. Incidentally, I also posted a pic of a PCGS slabbed 1928-S Lincoln in AU-58 (also the large mintmark variety) that I said was not one of mine, however, I'm happy to say that I ended up winning that one last night.
Anyway, there are 3 SEGS slabbed Lincolns on my desk right now (pic below), and they are all horrendously overgraded, even more overgraded than the ACG, PCI gold label & NTC slabbed coins in the pic (and all of the ones that are not in the pic, for that matter). I'm guessing if they went 64BN on yours, it may very well be a strong 55. I can't imagine them mistaking a 50 for brown uncirculated. Even as I look at the slab pic you just posted, I can see the dark areas at the cheek and jawbone. I suppose it's possible they thought that was some kind of transfer and not rub. Still, I would not hesitate to buy SEGS slabbed coins if the price is right. There's a reasonable expectation with them that you won't find problem (i.e. cleaned, counterfeit, etc.) coins in their slabs.
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