Can you really tell a modern MS/PR69 from a 70??
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I would argue yes with this supporting story.............
In 2005 I saw a chance to make some quick $$$ flipping Marine Commemoratives
I bought 300 of the uncirculated and 300 of the Proofs.
As I sold them on Ebay I would scan the coins always setting the best to the side until at the end all I had left was 36 of the uncirculated and 22 of the proof which appeared to have a shot at a '70'.
These were in my mind 'pick of the litter' so to speak.
Now this was based on my opinion in regard to obs/rev exam.
I did not check edges which is where many coins lose their shot at a 70.
Marine population numbers show only 198 of 3162 submitted uncirculated coins graded MS70.....6.2%
and only 124 of 3408 submitted proof coins graded PR70................3.6%
As June 30th was the cutoff for bulk submissions from collector club members I dusted these off and away they went.
Of the 36 uncirculated examples 12 graded MS70 or 33.3%
Of the 22 proof examples............. 6 graded PR70 or 27.3%
Proof positive that a careful exam can tell a 69 from a 70???
No but it appears to at least help..........
Edited to add that most of those 69s would earn a CAC sticker!
In 2005 I saw a chance to make some quick $$$ flipping Marine Commemoratives
I bought 300 of the uncirculated and 300 of the Proofs.
As I sold them on Ebay I would scan the coins always setting the best to the side until at the end all I had left was 36 of the uncirculated and 22 of the proof which appeared to have a shot at a '70'.
These were in my mind 'pick of the litter' so to speak.
Now this was based on my opinion in regard to obs/rev exam.
I did not check edges which is where many coins lose their shot at a 70.
Marine population numbers show only 198 of 3162 submitted uncirculated coins graded MS70.....6.2%
and only 124 of 3408 submitted proof coins graded PR70................3.6%
As June 30th was the cutoff for bulk submissions from collector club members I dusted these off and away they went.
Of the 36 uncirculated examples 12 graded MS70 or 33.3%
Of the 22 proof examples............. 6 graded PR70 or 27.3%
Proof positive that a careful exam can tell a 69 from a 70???
No but it appears to at least help..........
Edited to add that most of those 69s would earn a CAC sticker!
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cases there is actually a finer line and narrower grades in coins at this level but
even this doesn't always apply.
I sure couldn't spot much difference even between the best and worst proofs un-
til I had looked at quite a few of them.
Too much work so I don't do it anymore, I leave it up to WonderCoin.
Order #20201654 / Submission #3853748
Line # Item # Cert # PCGS No. CoinDate Denomination Variety Country Grade
1 1 12104071 394416 2008-P $1 Bald Eagle US MS70 Bingo!
2 1 12104072 4279 1832 H10C US Questionable Color
3 1 12104073 6092 1809 50C US VF35
4 1 12104074 6163 1833 50C US VF30
5 1 12104075 6294 1858-O 50C US PO01 My 1st! Take that, TrainNut!
6 1 12104076 9318 1925 50C Lexington US MS65 ANACS 64 crackout $
7 1 12104077 7146 1883-O $1 US MS62 Except for the 95-S, a bunch of VAM stuff
8 1 12104078 7166 1886 $1 US MS65
9 1 12104079 7166 1886 $1 US MS64
10 1 12104080 7172 1887 $1 US Cleaned
11 1 12104081 7238 1895-S $1 US VG10
12 1 12104082 7154 1884-O $1 US Cleaned
13 1 12104083 7298 1921-D $1 US MS61
14 1 12104084 7298 1921-D $1 US MS63
15 1 12104085 7298 1921-D $1 US AU58
16 1 12104086 7298 1921-D $1 US MS62
17 1 12104087 7300 1921-S $1 US AU50
17 2 12104088 7300 1921-S $1 US Cleaned
17 3 12104089 7300 1921-S $1 US XF45
Total Items: 19
Date Received: 6/2/2008
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: Shipped
Here's a pic that's really big!
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<< <i>1 1 12104071 394416 2008-P $1 Bald Eagle US MS70 >>
What's with the dot of a mark on the 2 in 2008? There is also a mark just south of the middle point in the upright of F in OF.
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<< <i>1 1 12104071 394416 2008-P $1 Bald Eagle US MS70 >>
What's with the dot of a mark on the 2 in 2008? There is also a mark just south of the middle point in the upright of F in OF. >>
I just started a thread on this - please post your comment there. This may be interesting...
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Ed. S.
(EJS)
No but it appears to at least help..........
I agree that a careful eye can separate the nicer coins from the group in general. Whether they merit 69's or 70's is another story.
roadrunner
On encapsulated coins it's harder to tell since I don't want to remove the coin
from its case.
A lot of coins miss out on a '70' because of flaws on edge which is almost impossible to examine through mint capsules.
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