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Hey fellows and ladies, I was wondering, I bought 2 dies from the US mint last year the Maryland P&D dies. I have never opened the box and am keeping for years to come.

My question is this, what if these dies get into the wrong hands or country and someone started to press quarters? Also I was going to buy the Kennedy dies but didn't that is a 50cent hit if someone wanted to try to make their own money. Is it possible to do this or did the mint make it so someone can't use this to press new money?

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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Open them and look.
    There is basically no premium...I bought the MA one.
    The faces are ground COMPLETELY off.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Prett sure teh mint sells them cancelled, even ground down to a nub.

    I do remember seeing dies at the CC mint for sale that were just x'd out. Really should have bought those.....
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  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Open them and look.
    There is basically no premium...I bought the MA one.
    The faces are ground COMPLETELY off. >>



    why do you always beat me to the "punch" Bochiman?image

    i bought one for my Mom, NE
  • It'd be nice to restore these...

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  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    The dies are completely ground smooth. If you were to open it and look, there are no traces of the design left.
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭
    Those "dies" from the US Mint are almost as exciting as the bags of ground up currency you can buy from the BEP.

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  • edix2001edix2001 Posts: 3,388


    << <i>It'd be nice to restore these...

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    Carson City >>



    Ken Hopple, the coiner at the Carson City Mint Museum, gave a bull session on finding the old canceled CC dies during ANA Summer Seminar in June. He was the one who restored them. They were absolutely caked with rust. He made a few sets of uniface impressed strikes of the 1876 twenty cent pieces using a hydraulic process. One of the sets sold for over $500 at the Summer Seminar Young Numismatist auction a week ago Wednesday. They've dug up well over one thousand canceled dies and had to leave just about as many in the ground due to archaeological preservation requirements.
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They've dug up well over one thousand canceled dies and had to leave just about as many in the ground due to archaeological preservation requirements. >>

    Amazing!


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  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    $500 for a set of cancelled CC dies seems like a fantastic bargain to me.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The $500 wasn't for the set of dies, it was
    for an IMPRESSION of the Obv. and Rev. of
    the 1876-CC Twenty Cent Piece Dies.

    It's a thin piece of lead of each side of the die.

    Ken sent me the dies, and a set of impressions,
    but they were too corroded to conclusively
    say that they were the one set of dies USED
    to strike the 20C pieces....the Mint had more than
    one set of dies, but only used one set, I believe.

    Most of the dies were heavily corroded.........
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  • edix2001edix2001 Posts: 3,388
    Ken said that Fred Weinberg is very involved in it all.
    He also said the dies themselves are valued at $30,000 each.
    Normally dies are recycled, but instead of sending the dies from Carson City to San Francisco to be shipped to Philadelphia, Ken suggests it was more economical for them to have simply canceled and buried the dies on site.
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    It cost more to ship used dies to San Francisco from Carson, than to ship them back to Philadelphia. Depending on who the mint director was, sometimes they were shipped back and sometimes they were retained for destruction at Carson.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Open them and look.
    There is basically no premium...I bought the MA one.
    The faces are ground COMPLETELY off. >>



    why do you always beat me to the "punch" Bochiman?image

    i bought one for my Mom, NE >>



    Because you are slow and have a life, Bill image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,004 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They've dug up well over one thousand canceled dies and had to leave just about as many in the ground due to archaeological preservation requirements. >>


    imageThey should of been conserved and preserved.
  • Dawg144Dawg144 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭
    Even if the dies weren't canceled, you probably couldn't make enough coins before the die broke to make it worth purchasing the die in the first place.

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