Pro 8.5?

AragornTheBold · July 3, 2008 3:22AM

Should I go ahead and put this on eBay or should I cross it over and get it graded by PSA?

VitoCo1972 · July 3, 2008 3:23AM

PSA doesn't grade 9/10 of a card. What I would do is crack it, send it to Ryan to get signed and the have it slabbed by PSA as authentic.

stevek · July 3, 2008 3:25AM

Needs additional trimming and doctoring to get to a Pro 9

AragornTheBold · July 3, 2008 3:55AM

well my only concern is that it won't sell for as much if it is graded by PRO and not PSA. I'm not sure if I am going to get this one signed because it is in such good condition but hypothetically if i wanted to where do you find retired HOFers adresses so I can send my cards to get autoed?

Goot · July 3, 2008 3:59AM

<< well my only concern is that it won't sell for as much if it is graded by PRO and not PSA. I'm not sure if I am going to get this one signed because it is in such good condition but hypothetically if i wanted to where do you find retired HOFers adresses so I can send my cards to get autoed? >>

The scan isn't that clear, but the other guys (and I) believe that the card is trimmed, and therefore not deserving of the grade it was given. It would be irresponsible to knowingly sell a card that is trimmed, so that's why the suggestion was given to have it signed and then slabbed AUTHENTIC.

AragornTheBold · July 3, 2008 4:01AM

You guys really think it is trimmed? Wouldnt PRO be able to figure that out and reject the card or is PSA the only one who does that?

VitoCo1972 · July 3, 2008 4:01AM

<< well my only concern is that it won't sell for as much if it is graded by PRO and not PSA. I'm not sure if I am going to get this one signed because it is in such good condition but hypothetically if i wanted to where do you find retired HOFers adresses so I can send my cards to get autoed? >>

Yes, but is it in such good condition because it is trimmed? My guess would be yes because it's in a PRO holder. take out a modern card that you got out of a pack and measure both cards. My guess is that the Ryan comes up short. That's why PSA won't grade it as anything other than AUTHENTIC-ALTERED. So, theoretically, if you cracked it, and got it signed and had PSA slab the auto as authentic, it'd be a really nice collectible. I believe thenavarro has his address.

WinPitcher · July 3, 2008 4:05AM

Argon

Your card is probably trimmed. It is not 100% certain.

With that said I'd crack it out and send it in to PSA or SGC.

In the slab it is now it is basically worthless, to most people that are in the know.

Steve

CDsNuts · July 3, 2008 4:12AM

You should do research on items you know nothing about before purchasing them.

AragornTheBold · July 3, 2008 4:16AM

chill out CD i havent bought it yet, the guy who has the card just sent me the scan so I have not seen this card in reality yet

Goot · July 3, 2008 4:19AM

<< chill out CD i havent bought it yet, the guy who has the card just sent me the scan so I have not seen this card in reality yet >>

Well that's a relief. I would honestly wait until a nice one in similar grade shows up PSA or SGC graded on ebay.

CDsNuts · July 3, 2008 4:26AM

I was giving a piece of sound advice. Clearly you're thinking about buying it and haven't done any research on pro grading. If you had you wouldn't be asking these questions. I was simply trying to tell you that you should do so in the future.

jimq112 · July 3, 2008 4:46AM

Aragorn, unless you're getting it for almost free, you cant buy a ryan rookie in any off-brand slab, or with a crappy picture like that. If it's not PSA, Beckett, or SGC skip it. Back when it was a $2000+ card, grading was relatively new and speculators bought based on corners and eye appeal.

When that card comes back from PSA as trimmed your options are to eat the loss yourself or spend $20 and get it graded by an off-brand and hopefully pass the loss on to someone else.

Don't be someone else.

PRO and some of the other lower tier graders aren't really all that reliable and sometimes they miss trimming.

Everybody here is just trying to help. It's what they do

clydecoolidge · July 3, 2008 4:59AM

OMG, that would get an "UD" (upside down) qualifier for sure!!!!!

AragornTheBold · July 3, 2008 5:08AM

Alright guys thanks for your help, now you have given me a few options and I want to know which is the best:

a) buy the card, get it out of the case and give it to Nolan to sign.

b) buy the card, take a risk by cossing it over to PSA to see if it is really trimmed.

c) forget the card and move on

bobbybakeriv · July 3, 2008 5:19AM

I vote C.

Goot · July 3, 2008 5:26AM

C.

A is a nice option, but you could pick up an already raw card with nice eye appeal for much less.

KbKards · July 3, 2008 5:28AM

d) forget the card and move on to learning more about cards before spending another dime.

clydecoolidge · July 3, 2008 5:30AM

<< d) forget the card and move on to learning more about cards before spending another dime. >>

I agree. If you were even thinking about buying a card in a PRO slab, you should concentrate on researching the graded card phenomenon.

thenavarro · July 3, 2008 5:31AM

Here is the address if you do end up with one and want to get it signed, cost is really reasonable at $35.00 plus return shipping:

Nolan Ryan Foundation
2925 South Bypass 35
Alvin, TX 77511

Take care,

Mike

thenavarro · July 3, 2008 5:35AM

Also, another option you may wish to consider if you really want that particular one, is to come to an agreement with the seller to either have them ship it to PSA for grading, or have you ship it to PSA for grading and have the deal contingent on PSA assigning a number grade. (not necessarily a specific number, but a number grade, and indicate on the form that you don't want it cracked unless it will receive a number grade) Any reputable dealer or individual should be willing to do that as long as you agree to pay the fees incurred. (as long as they don't have a cash flow need where they have to sell it NOW)

Good luck,

Mike

WinPitcher · July 3, 2008 5:45AM

That card is not rare, many are for sale on ebay every day of the week.

I vote C

Now for some sarcasm, did we really have to vote on this?

Do yourself a favor and pass on it. It is in a PRO holder for a reason.

Steve

onebamafan · July 3, 2008 5:50AM

PASS and run..............don't fool with a PRO card....i have had a couple over the years and they do not cross well. (lucky no trimming)

stevek · July 3, 2008 6:26AM

Here's an easy PRO card grading mathematical formula for ya to remember:

PRO = SCAM2 (SCAM squared)

AragornTheBold · July 3, 2008 7:53AM

alright thank you those who were helpful, here is another high graded NR on ebay that was graded by VGS. Do you think this is a similar card that will not sell as much because of the grading service?

Nolan Ryan

CDsNuts · July 3, 2008 7:59AM

You're welcome.

nam812 · July 3, 2008 9:15AM

<< Should I go ahead and put this on eBay or should I cross it over and get it graded by PSA? >>

<< i havent bought it yet, the guy who has the card just sent me the scan so I have not seen this card in reality yet >>

So you're gonna put a card on eBay that you do not own yet? I'm not sure I believe you wen you say you havent bought it yet, but if you haven't bought it yet, don't.

Allen · July 3, 2008 9:25AM

How about I get a counterfeit and put it in a cheap grading holder and you send me some money? I can make it a GEM MINT 10 if you want.

WinPitcher · July 3, 2008 9:31AM

Buy only those cards in the following holders:

PSA SGC or BVG

Steve

WinPitcher · July 3, 2008 9:32AM

I have a feeling that this guy thinks he is going to get a NR cheap and then flip it.

These cards are in these 3rd world holders for a reason.

Steve

AragornTheBold · July 3, 2008 9:36AM

Ugh ok guys thanks for the accusations and the insults but I would like you to comment on the auction that is currently going on right now that looks to be a similar rip off grading company.

Buccaneer · July 3, 2008 9:38AM

<< 

<< d) forget the card and move on to learning more about cards before spending another dime. >>

I agree. If you were even thinking about buying a card in a PRO slab, you should concentrate on researching the graded card phenomenon. >>

Best advice.

262Runner · July 3, 2008 9:44AM

Buy only those cards in the following holders:

PSA SGC or BVG

What he said!

CDsNuts · July 3, 2008 9:47AM

Wow, maybe we're not saying it right.

stevek · July 3, 2008 10:45AM

Does anybody speak Latin?

nam812 · July 3, 2008 10:48AM

Caveat Emptor.

stevek · July 3, 2008 10:52AM

<< Caveat Emptor. >>

And we're trying to make this "buyer beware" but it seems like he's determined to be a gluten for punishment.

prscott933 · July 3, 2008 11:02AM

<< Ugh ok guys thanks for the accusations and the insults but I would like you to comment on the auction that is currently going on right now that looks to be a similar rip off grading company. >>

the auction you refer to is not PSA, SGC or BVG. therefore DO NOT BUY IT!

AragornTheBold · July 3, 2008 11:15AM

Yes i wasnt planning on buying it but i was wondering if it will sell for a great deal of money or will be a dud like the one I was considering purchasing. That is all I am asking

Rogermnj · July 3, 2008 11:31AM

<< Yes i wasnt planning on buying it but i was wondering if it will sell for a great deal of money or will be a dud like the one I was considering purchasing. That is all I am asking >>

Wow.

Buccaneer · July 3, 2008 11:45AM

<< 

<< Yes i wasnt planning on buying it but i was wondering if it will sell for a great deal of money or will be a dud like the one I was considering purchasing. That is all I am asking >>

Wow. >>

Maybe there ought to be some level of minimum qualifications in order for one to use a 52 Mantle avatar.

WinPitcher · July 3, 2008 11:53AM

Bid on it, buy it and find out.

Everyone here has tried to help you. NOBODY has accused or ridiculed you.

Sarcasm? Yes, the bottom line is.......... ..nevermind

Steve

DrJ · July 3, 2008 11:54AM

<< Yes i wasnt planning on buying it but i was wondering if it will sell for a great deal of money or will be a dud like the one I was considering purchasing. That is all I am asking >>

Are you asking us to play Nostradamus for trimmed Nolan Ryan Rookies? What's the point?

WinPitcher · July 3, 2008 11:55AM

Estate! Everything must go! Recently acquired collections and estates all cards must go! Many rare vintage beauties will be put up for auction in the coming weeks keep an eye out each week!

1968 Topps Nolan Ryan card

***Graded 9 Mint a grade away from a Perfect 10!!!***

This card is amazing and beautiful. Rare hi grade sharp solid all around nice centering sharp color and contrast. Solid corners/edges. A beauty!

This card is currently the highest graded on Ebay! The most recent highest graded which was a 7.5 sold for $810.00. What's a 9 worth if a 7.5 just went for $810.00?

Get this rare vintage beauty before it's too late and before it's gone! You may never see another one this highly graded and this nice ever again!

$4.00 shipping and handling. Multiple winners get discount on shipping only $2.00 more for each additional card won.

Insurance optional at buyer's expense. I only accept money orders and checks.

Oh and did I mention it is a private sale too?

Anyone who bids on that card is looking for trouble.

Steve

WinPitcher · July 3, 2008 12:09PM

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn251/AragornTheBold/NolanRyan.jpg

I think we have been mislead. The PRO Ryan you claim you did not buy was scanned and in your photbucket account.

First you claim (insinuate) you own it, then when Lee tells you some advice in which you don't like you state you have not bought it yet.

How is the picture in your account then?

I oppologise in advance if there is some logic I am missing.

Steve

stevek · July 3, 2008 12:24PM

<< Yes i wasnt planning on buying it but i was wondering if it will sell for a great deal of money or will be a dud like the one I was considering purchasing. That is all I am asking >>

There's a new book out called "How to buy PRO graded cards, and have them regraded by PSA for fun and profit"

All the pages are blank.

AragornTheBold · July 3, 2008 1:07PM

It is called email it is a brilliant invention that I guess you are not familar with, wow and you guys call me stupid.

Also WinPitcher no one has insulted me or accused me? Lets just look at the examples:

"So you're gonna put a card on eBay that you do not own yet? I'm not sure I believe you wen you say you havent bought it yet", love nam812

"And we're trying to make this "buyer beware" but it seems like he's determined to be a gluten for punishment", with great respect, stevek

"Maybe there ought to be some level of minimum qualifications in order for one to use a 52 Mantle avatar", with great gegards, Buccaneer

"I think we have been mislead. The PRO Ryan you claim you did not buy was scanned and in your photbucket account.

First you claim (insinuate) you own it, then when Lee tells you some advice in which you don't like you state you have not bought it yet.

How is the picture in your account then"? with bundles of love, last but not least, WinPitcher.

You are absolutely right, what was I thinking, there was been nothing but positive attitudes and faith in my words. Sorry for my mistake.

WinPitcher · July 3, 2008 1:10PM

No one called you stupid, what some of us don't understand is how in your opening statement you state you may sell it on Ebay
as is or send it to PSA for grading.

Then 3 or 4 posts later you claim you don't even have it yet. Either way we were mislead.

Steve

70chip · July 3, 2008 1:10PM

You have been given the best legit advice from the members here, if you don't or won't listen then go ahead and buy the card and see how it turns out.

Boopotts · July 3, 2008 1:13PM

<< Yes i wasnt planning on buying it but i was wondering if it will sell for a great deal of money or will be a dud like the one I was considering purchasing. That is all I am asking >>

FWIW, it will probably sell for more than the same card would sell for if the buyer knew the card was trimmed, but for less-- much less- than what it would sell for in a reputable holder.

AragornTheBold · July 3, 2008 1:42PM

Are you happy now buccaneer???????

Pro 8.5?

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