1921 Morgan Dollar error? PCI said "Rusted Dies"...what do you guys think??

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• OffMetal Posts: 1,684 ✭

  July 2, 2008 3:10AM

  I think there was "rust" or debris on top of the die, and when it struck the coin, it left small indentures on the surface of the coin?

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• RWB Posts: 8,082 ✭

  July 2, 2008 3:15AM

  Generally, coinage dies were not permitted to rust. Normally, this could occur only in humid locations and where dies had not been used for an extended period. A working die was in storage for only a few months before use, and used in a press for only a few days before it wore out.

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• JupitarCoins Posts: 2,595 ✭

  July 2, 2008 4:26AM

  Whats going on in the area of the ear?

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• Smittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 2, 2008 4:48AM

  Another reason why PCI isn't around anymore

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• dorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭

  July 2, 2008 4:51AM

  
  
  << <i>Generally, coinage dies were not permitted to rust. Normally, this could occur only in humid locations and where dies had not been used for an extended period. A working die was in storage for only a few months before use, and used in a press for only a few days before it wore out. >>
  
  the opportunity for dies to rust on the east coast was actually quite high, being next to a big lake called the atlantic ocean. dies were in fact frequently permitted to rust, although by accident of course. however they were USUALLY careful to polish the dies prior to use to remove the effects of rust & corrosion on the dies. the subject coin does not look like that to me at all. just looks like a altered coin in a stupidly labeled slab.
  
  K S

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• PerryHall Posts: 46,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 2, 2008 5:08AM

  Usually a coin struck from a rusted die has raised pimples corresponding to the pits in the die resulting from the rusting. This coin does not look like it was struck from a rusted die; rather, it just looks heavily abraided.

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• RWB Posts: 8,082 ✭

  July 2, 2008 5:16AM

  Spalling
  
  Many claims of "rusted dies" are actually metal fatigue. (See JK's comments, above.) Dies were carefully protected before use, and rarely put back into service. Protective coatings were applied as soon as hardened dies were cool, and removed just before use in the pressroom. There are identified exceptions, but not nearly to the extent of "rusted dies" being used as an excuse.
  
  PS: The poor 1921 dollar looks like it was abused after production.

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• FredWeinberg Posts: 5,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 2, 2008 5:28AM

  It's not anything that occurred at the Mint.
  
  It's an "altered surface" - someone has played
  with the obv.
  
  Not rust, die fatigue, worn dies, etc. etc.........
  
  

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• coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭

  July 2, 2008 5:53AM

  
  
  << <i>It's not anything that occurred at the Mint.
  
  It's an "altered surface" - someone has played
  with the obv.
  
  Not rust, die fatigue, worn dies, etc. etc......... >>
  
  
  
  
  Thanks Fred, that's what I thought.
  
  
  
  -Paul

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