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A 1922 lincoln on the bay that looks like one I have in my safe.

I was browsing on the bay and I noticed this auction item #130233178013 not sure how to provide the link.

This coin has the same dimple on lincolns coat just past the six o'clock position, as mine does, soooo I pulled mine out of the safe, and started looking closer, the toning streaks on the reverse match, as well as another dimple on the reverse at the six oclock position.

Look at the streaks below pluribus, the streak coming from the S. Also, look at the streak coming from the left leg of the M in unum heading towards the middle of the E in one.

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here's some pictures I took of my coin.

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  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    Holy Cow !!!! What a description !!!

    ( not same coin IMO )
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  • ( not same coin IMO )

    there's no way, no way, 2 coins can be this close. It's looking like the scratches on the holder are the same for the reverse. Look at the line that goes through the T in cent AND through the U in unum.....
  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    Definetly similiar toning but not the same coins. The ebay coin has a horizontal gash on the shoulder and yours doesn't appear to have that.
    If I say something in the woods, and my wife isn't around. Am I still wrong?
  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    I think it's an uncanny resemblance only, look at the right wheat kernals, not the same
    " YOU SUCK " Awarded 5/18/08
  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They look like the same coin to me.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    There are bag marks on the neck of Lincoln and in his hair on the eBay coin that are not on your coin. Definitely not the same coin IMO.





    -Paul
  • Okay he has 2 coins in the pic a weak D and a no D, also this coin is raw, he shows PCGS holders, read the description. He doesn't own either!!!!
  • <<The ebay coin has a horizontal gash on the shoulder and yours doesn't appear to have that.
    >>

    my coin has that gash.
    here's another picture....
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    What I'm hoping happened is since I listed my coin on ebay about a month ago, this guy borrowed my pictures.
    The only other solution is that these are fake coins, if that's the case, we are all in trouble. I think the scratches on the holder clinches it.
  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've never seen two coins so alike. Same coin. Mike
  • Wake up, his coin is raw, he ripped your pics and is using them to sell his POS. Duh!
  • Not only my pictures, but someone elses too, My cert number is different than the au50 he has listed. So, he has my close-ups, and someone elses long shot.
  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not only my pictures, but someone elses too, My cert number is different than the au50 he has listed. So, he has my close-ups, and someone elses long shot. >>


    He's showing pics of two different '22s. One has a strong second '2' and one has a weak second '2'. Mike
  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those are pics of your coin.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, tell me, is he your cousin? How did he have access to your safe??? CAN I GET ACCESS???

    Got some explaining to do!

    bobimage
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    One of his pics is clearly your coin.
  • Both coins have the same two "dimple marks" on the shoulder. As well as the same toning pattern.... Nahhhh, can't be your coin.image
  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461
    A personal observation--Back in the 50s and 60s the 22 no D
    was an error coin of no significance and seldom seen. During the
    1970s the 22 no D was showing up everywhere and known to
    be polished fakes. In the 1980s some of this phony crap was
    certified and slabbed.
    If this blunder coin is of interest to you then you will be taken.
    The so called sharp reverse or weak reverse is no proof of its
    authenticity.
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  • <<So, tell me, is he your cousin? How did he have access to your safe??? CAN I GET ACCESS???

    Got some explaining to do!

    bob >>

    Dang, you mean I left my safe open???

    I'll explain it better for ya. About a month ago I had my 22 listed on ebay. That's how this seller got the pictures.

  • <<During the
    1970s the 22 no D was showing up everywhere and known to
    be polished fakes.>>

    Yup, I have one of those too, $245 was paid for it in 1971.

    They make money selling you fakes, then they make money telling you it's fake.

  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In addition to the woodgrain and toning of the reverse there is also an identical mark in the upper left of the U in United. With the scratch in the plastic above TE in states and the other marks already discussed this is the same coin. You must recognize the photos he's using I would imagine? They are different shots than the ones you posted here. The photos he's using must be the ones you posted on Ebay?

    Is the one in your safe PCGS # 21420687? He is sly how he titles PCGS AU50, puts in the Description that it is slabbed PCGS AU50 with cert # 21420687 but in the middle of his BS statement he says that it is raw. Some one should charge him with Fraud!
  • <<Is the one in your safe PCGS # 21420687?>>

    No, as I said earlier, he's using my close ups, and a different coin with the cert.
    makes you wonder image The guy has what, $30,000 + coins listed that end within the same time frame.
    Does he also have a ticket to Mexico?
  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461
    Tending to agree
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  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sent a quest. - "Hi, you say I get pictured. One pic shows a weak second '2' and one shows a strong second '2'. Which one? Sincerely, mike"
    See the response hopefully soon.
  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I sent a quest. - "Hi, you say I get pictured. One pic shows a weak second '2' and one shows a strong second '2'. Which one? Sincerely, mike"
    See the response hopefully soon. >>



    He says in the auction that he is showing how undergraded this AU50 is compared to the other pictured AU58. That the AU58 that is pictured is also available in another auction.

    I just can not figure out how he has well over 1300 positive feedback and holding 100% positive. I do stand corrected though on the raw coin statement. He does say they are PCGS certified. In his general section he says "IF" the coin being auctioned is raw... not that it IS raw. But I still say the close up photos show the same coin the OP posted.


    <<Is the one in your safe PCGS # 21420687?>>

    No, as I said earlier, he's using my close ups, and a different coin with the cert.

    I got it now... BTW what PCGS grade is your 22?
  • clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615
    Why are they selling your coin. Not only do the coin diags match but the slab scratches match. How long have you owned it? If he owned it at one time, took pics then, and are showing them that is legit, he owns the pics.
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1959 Redbook lists the 1922 Plain (No. D) in Unc. @100.00 so to say the variety was "insignificant" in the 50's and 60's doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

    I would think any of the "big three" TPG's are competent to authenticate this variety. I almost hate to say it but this is one coin to never buy raw no matter how expert you think you are.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • Batman23
    ... BTW what PCGS grade is your 22?

    Mine is a PCGS graded AU50 as well.

    clackamas...
    <<Why are they selling your coin. Not only do the coin diags match but the slab scratches match. How long have you owned it? If he owned it at one time, took pics then, and are showing them that is legit, he owns the pics. >>

    I bought this coin from Ira about a year and a half ago. He is not selling my coin, what this seller is up to remains to be seen. This seller is showing at least 3 different coins in this auction. First he is showing a 22 no D strong reverse AU50, cert # 21420687 (full slab shot) The close up views he showing for the 22 no D strong reverse PCGS AU50 is the coin I have in my safe (see attached photo). Then he is showing a 22 weak D for comparison PCGS AU58. What are the odds that I would spot this and recognize this coin??
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe that ebay might pull the auction if you notify ebay and tell them that you have told the seller that he does not have permission to use images of your coin. Good luck.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe that ebay might pull the auction if you notify ebay and tell them that you have told the seller that he does not have permission to use images of your coin. Good luck. >>



    I would agree
    " YOU SUCK " Awarded 5/18/08
  • conclusion: Gary, (seller) and I both bought our AU50's from Ira last year. Turns out, Ira sent him pictures of the coin I bought, and since Gary's eyesight isn't that great, he just put the coin in his safe, and now that's he's selling his set, he is using Ira's pictures. He didn't know he had pictures of 3 different coins until I made him aware. In fact he said he bought my coin from Iraimage Honest mistake.

    Rich

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