I finally got a response from the baseball card kid concerning The Pete Rose auto set

metalmike · June 11, 2008 11:05AM

His or one of his lackeys resonse - Hi, these Pete Rose sets are FACTORY sealed by TOPPS, they come in a larger white outside box with a piece of factory scotch tape. Very similar to the 1990 Topps Traded FB sets that came sealed in white boxes too, those also had factory scotch tape sealing them. They are a bargain considering Rose gets about 75.00 per autograph in person, plus the 120 cards in the set.

- thebbckid

metalmike · June 11, 2008 11:09AM

So- Back in 1985 Ken Goldin/SCOREBOARD was working for Topps? What a pantload! Coming from a so called expert he is SO wrong about the sets he is selling. LOL .

yankeeno7 · June 11, 2008 11:15AM

I only purchased from Murphy once at a card show many many years ago. All I know is that I will probably never buy anything from him, especially now.

RawPlusSlabbed · June 11, 2008 11:19AM

He has certainly gone down hill, but from 1989-2003 he was bigger than Steve Hart. In fact, I would bet money Steve Hart learned a lot from Mark.

donrus · June 11, 2008 11:26AM

is he giving you your money back? don

metalmike · June 11, 2008 11:27AM

From Paypal

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Not as described - Case ID: PP-489-773-585

Seller Name & Email: The Baseball Card Kid, mark@bbckid.com

Transaction Amount: -$42.98 USD

Transaction Date: 5/30/2008

Total Messages: 3
From Seller: The Baseball Card Kid on 6/11/2008 10:19 PDT
Hi Again, I did not know these were scoreboard sealed sets. I bought a quantity of these and since they were similar to other Topps sets I have seen, like 1990 Topps Traded FB, I thought they were Topps Sealed. However, after seeing another "now" real Topps Rose factory set on ebay for 399.95, these obviously are a deal. Please send the set back unopened if you are not happy. It's crazy to read these boards, people jump to so many conclusions about everything. So I guess I'm a sleaze and Griffey Jr takes steriods too. People need to lighten up, we sell hunders of products, mistakes are going to happen, they certainly are not intentional. Thanks, Mark
From Seller: The Baseball Card Kid on 6/11/2008 08:53 PDT
Hi, this set had the factory TOPPS tape sealing the white box, that is from the factory. The set was indeed factory sealed, I have no idea what you are talking about. Mark
From Buyer: michael horsley on 6/10/2008 19:39 PDT
You listed this set as "sealed" it was not- the sealed auto sets have a borderless card number one auto'd and this was a opened set with a auto card with borders. You can see the set in the 2005 standard catalog. Mike

HE says to return the set UNOPENED. Yea right if I did not open it I never would have known it was a aftermarket Pete auto.What a expert he is

swartz1 · June 11, 2008 11:30AM

so he didnt know what he was selling? a $400 set or a $30 set?

donrus · June 11, 2008 11:33AM

wow! don

metalmike · June 11, 2008 11:35AM

FROM HIS WEBSITE HE RAISED THE PRICE AND..............................

THIS IS THE 1985 TOPPS PETE ROSE OFFICIAL TOPPS BASEBALL CARD SET. SEE 120 TOTAL CARDS OF THE ALL TIME HIT KING. THE SET INCLUDES ONE AUTOGRAPHED CARD OF PETE ROSE SIGNED IN BLUE SHARPIE. THE SET COMES SEALED FROM SCOREBOARD IN A WHITE BOX. THESE ARE A BARGAIN AS THE ORIGNAL TOPPS SEALED SETS ARE ON EBAY CURRENTLY AT 399.95. SOME SELL JUST THE REGULAR CARDS AT 1.00 PER CARD, AND ROSE CHAREGES 75.00 PER AUTOGRAPH IN PERSON. THESE ARE A DEAL !

PRICE: $45.00

donrus · June 11, 2008 11:35AM

i got 2 $400.00 sets for $75.. don

HighChopper · June 11, 2008 11:43AM

I had an excellent experience with this guy.

Nine '75 Topps baseball GAI cellos. One card paid for all of 'em!

gumbyfan · June 11, 2008 12:04PM

<< Total Messages: 3
From Seller: The Baseball Card Kid on 6/11/2008 10:19 PDT
Hi Again, I did not know these were scoreboard sealed sets. I bought a quantity of these and since they were similar to other Topps sets I have seen, like 1990 Topps Traded FB, I thought they were Topps Sealed. However, after seeing another "now" real Topps Rose factory set on ebay for 399.95, these obviously are a deal. Please send the set back unopened if you are not happy. It's crazy to read these boards, people jump to so many conclusions about everything. So I guess I'm a sleaze and Griffey Jr takes steriods too. People need to lighten up, we sell hunders of products, mistakes are going to happen, they certainly are not intentional. Thanks, Mark >>

What a strange rant...

pandrews · June 11, 2008 12:54PM

if its a real auto, it still seems like a deal to me..

gumbyfan · June 11, 2008 12:57PM

If I'm not mistaken, Scoreboard authenticated autos are about as reliable as cards graded by GEM.

yankeeno7 · June 11, 2008 1:01PM

We all find deals now and again. The fact is that Murphy was pulling a fast one on the buyers by saying the autos were factory sealed with the set. You really can compare this "deal" to his vintage Christmas racks.
If I was looking at his site, I would not have ever guessed that the set with the correct auto'd Rose would be a 400.00 set...just no way. You can buy psa/dna rose autos on ebay for 40 bucks so why would I think that it would be a 400.00 set?
Another reason to do your homework before you buy...just that in this case, the seller was not honest.

RawPlusSlabbed · June 11, 2008 1:32PM

<< We all find deals now and again. The fact is that Murphy was pulling a fast one on the buyers by saying the autos were factory sealed with the set. You really can compare this "deal" to his vintage Christmas racks.
If I was looking at his site, I would not have ever guessed that the set with the correct auto'd Rose would be a 400.00 set...just no way. You can buy psa/dna rose autos on ebay for 40 bucks so why would I think that it would be a 400.00 set?
Another reason to do your homework before you buy...just that in this case, the seller was not honest. >>

He gets way too much grief for the Christmas Racks. When he found them originally, it was considered a true find of repacked cards at the end of each year of production by a third party. Nobody disputed this. All the crap racks you see now are completely fraudulent and are not part of Mark's original find. I do not think the final answer of whether or not Mark's original find was a legitimate 3rd party repackage from the 50's and 60's or not?

metalmike · June 11, 2008 2:48PM

if its a real auto, it still seems like a deal to me.. P I agree. I may send it to PSA/DNA and I think Mr. Bigshot should pay for it. I opened a Paypal dispute as I emailed the seller 3 times about the set concerning shipping with no response. I knew a dispute would get his response. He Knew exactly what he was selling I thought he is an expert? What the Griffey stuff is all about is called deflection. IMO Mark is a skinny Gary with a better tan.

Edited to be factual. Exactly who is in charge at the BBCkid headquarters?

yankeeno7 · June 11, 2008 6:03PM

<< 
He gets way too much grief for the Christmas Racks. When he found them originally, it was considered a true find of repacked cards at the end of each year of production by a third party. Nobody disputed this. All the crap racks you see now are completely fraudulent and are not part of Mark's original find. I do not think the final answer of whether or not Mark's original find was a legitimate 3rd party repackage from the 50's and 60's or not? >>

You are kidding, right???

First of all, anyone with half a brain in this business can see that those cards are not "pack fresh" and that should have been warning number one. He is a so called pack expert so he should have EASILY seen that they were fake. Next, before dropping the crap load of them on the market, he should have done some research to see if these packs actually existed from Topps. If you ask me, he never got enough grief for them...he actually got a pass. He must have sighed a many big reliefs when he was able to convince people of that.

Stingray · June 11, 2008 9:51PM

Sell for for $399??

LINK

swartz1 · June 11, 2008 10:29PM

<< Sell for for $399??

LINK >>

I dont think that contains an auto...

Stingray · June 11, 2008 11:03PM

<< 

<< Sell for for $399??

LINK >>

I dont think that contains an auto... >>

Did the set that came out from Topps have a autographed card that came with them??

Barfvader · June 11, 2008 11:17PM

This one has the auto in it.

Also the Standard Catalog has these listed as P.R.E Pete Rose Set and not a Topps set.

swartz1 · June 11, 2008 11:18PM

1985 P.R.E.

This 120 card set traces the career of Pete Rose through the 1985 season. Many cards feature photos used on earlier topss cards. Each card and the box in which they were sold says the set was "deigned by Topps chewing Gum Inc". The set was distributed within the hobby by Renata Galasso and the copyright-holder is identified as "P.R.E. Pete Rose Enterprises? Besides the topps photos, the cards include a number of origianl paintings by Ron Lewis.............A borderless version of card #1 was issued in an edition of 1,000 all cards being autographed.

This is out of the 2006 SCD

Stingray · June 11, 2008 11:24PM

Thanks for the info guys!!

CDsNuts · June 12, 2008 12:24AM

A few things I don't understand about this transaction:

1) Why didn't he just immediately give a refund? If indeed it was an honest mistake, why is he fighting the paypal dispute? Steve Hart (and I suspect Dave & Adam) would've immediately offered a blanket refund for anything purchased, ESPECIALLY if the mistake was on their end. Moreover, why didn't he respond to Metalmike's three emails? All he had to do was say "Sorry for the mistake, send them back for a full refund" and he wouldn't be dealing with this "crazy message board" where people are jumping to so many conclusions.

2) How did he not know they were Scoreboard sets? They have a COA from SB inside each set, correct? If you bought cases of something that you weren't sure of its origin, wouldn't you open one just to make sure?

3) In various threads, only two or three people have said anything derogatory about Mark. Why would he attack the entire message board and a large potential customer base? Many things have been said on here about him being a good seller of unopened material and I think I've even recommended his unopened pack guide a few times, so now he's throwing out a blanket "Those guys are crazy and jump to conclusions" statement that completely alienates an entire group of collectors? Wow, just wow. Talk about poor business decisions.

gosteelers · June 12, 2008 12:40AM

<< I had an excellent experience with this guy.

Nine '75 Topps baseball GAI cellos. One card paid for all of 'em! >>

Just wondering...what card?

Leiascards · June 12, 2008 12:41AM

I personally never had a problem with anything I have purchases from Mark Murphy, but it has been years back. I have heard that since the fire his operation has not been the same

grote15 · June 12, 2008 9:31AM

Murphy never had particulatly impressive customer service skills, but at one point he was even bigger than Steve Hart. He had a fire when he was based in CT some years back, moved out west, and never recovered. He has gone from top dog to also ran in that span as far as the unopened market is concerned.

WinPitcher · June 12, 2008 9:59AM

Yeah what about that fire...............

Steve

kshorton · June 12, 2008 10:02AM

The Baseball Card Kid Mark should be considered Gawd to all you freakazoids. Look what he did with the sports card arena. He pretty much started the unopened pack coolness that still exists today. You cut down what he has accomplished, within your freakazoid PSA 9 MC I got an 8 but I know it's a 9 reprint that PSA won't notice world ?? you are cutting down your Master. What have you done to support the hobby. beeetches.

Yes, The Baseball Card Kid Mark is your Gawd, and you must try and take him down. Bet you would like to be him, rather than a 'master collector' on this site.

chaz43 · June 12, 2008 11:17AM

<< The Baseball Card Kid Mark should be considered Gawd to all you freakazoids. Look what he did with the sports card arena. He pretty much started the unopened pack coolness that still exists today. You cut down what he has accomplished, within your freakazoid PSA 9 MC I got an 8 but I know it's a 9 reprint that PSA won't notice world ?? you are cutting down your Master. What have you done to support the hobby. beeetches.

Yes, The Baseball Card Kid Mark is your Gawd, and you must try and take him down. Bet you would like to be him, rather than a 'master collector' on this site.

>>

Mark is a good dude. A little slow sometimes but he delivers on what he says. I purchased a 78' wax basketball box from him a few years ago and I am still pullin' PSA 10's out of it. chaz

Stingray · June 12, 2008 11:25AM

<< The Baseball Card Kid Mark should be considered Gawd to all you freakazoids. Look what he did with the sports card arena. He pretty much started the unopened pack coolness that still exists today. You cut down what he has accomplished, within your freakazoid PSA 9 MC I got an 8 but I know it's a 9 reprint that PSA won't notice world ?? you are cutting down your Master. What have you done to support the hobby. beeetches.

Yes, The Baseball Card Kid Mark is your Gawd, and you must try and take him down. Bet you would like to be him, rather than a 'master collector' on this site.

>>

I would rather be a Master Collector than a 'Member'!!

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · June 12, 2008 11:54AM

<< The Baseball Card Kid Mark should be considered Gawd to all you freakazoids. Look what he did with the sports card arena. He pretty much started the unopened pack coolness that still exists today. You cut down what he has accomplished, within your freakazoid PSA 9 MC I got an 8 but I know it's a 9 reprint that PSA won't notice world ?? you are cutting down your Master. What have you done to support the hobby. beeetches.

Yes, The Baseball Card Kid Mark is your Gawd, and you must try and take him down. Bet you would like to be him, rather than a 'master collector' on this site.

>>

Well from how I see it he was/is doing business. Nothing "Gawd" like there. Sounds like a job to me. If he wanted to help the hobby he could post his unopened guide free on his site for viewing. But instead he charges $. It's all about the $. His offer to circumvent ebay fees (against ebay rules) on his multi case auction, charging 3% extra if you pay with a credit card (against ebay rules). Not really "Gawd" like. I like my unopened pack sellers to be honest in all aspects of the transaction.

What have I done for the hobby? Offered advice on various card message boards and have a website that has info on the FF card. All for free.

BBCkid ever post his knowledge around?

And what kind of 6th grade word is this? -freakazoids.

So no, I dont want to be him.

TZAHL · June 13, 2008 7:31AM

Many valid points made by all parties. I have not bought from Mr. Murphy but probably will someday.

I finally got a response from the baseball card kid concerning The Pete Rose auto set

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