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in your opinion, how many top pop coins are over graded when compared to current pcgs grading?

fcfc Posts: 12,804 ✭✭✭
in your opinion, how many top pop coins are over graded when compared to current pcgs grading?

what i mean is, if the coin was removed from the holder and regraded
would you see it falling a point or more by today's stricter standard?

do you think this top pop would get a cac sticker from JA knowing
he will be very critical of such a coin?

some top pops are so brain dead easy to identify due to no other coin
being close to it grade wise. Others have 10-100s right below it in
the next grade and could very well have been graded during the
beginning of PCGS existance to a much stricter standard.

Just how many top pops do you see that you just shake your head
and think that was a gift?

thanks.

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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    Twist that around a bit. How many coins would be top pops if they weren't undergraded?

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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Many, and I mean many.

    Russ, NCNE
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Many, and I mean many.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    I think Russ has grossly underestimated the quantity. Really.
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    PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    42
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    ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    This is an excellent question, and one which I have discussed with collectors and dealers in the past.

    I personally believe that a high percentage (if not an outright majority) of pop top coins are overgraded, inferior, reworked, doctored, conserved or otherwise not as good as they should be.
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    9,742

    i counted 'em

    K S
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Twist that around a bit. How many coins would be top pops if they weren't undergraded? >>

    gotta be nuts! there's hardly any undergraded coins in plastic.

    K S
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Twist that around a bit. How many coins would be top pops if they weren't undergraded? >>

    gotta be nuts! there's hardly any undergraded coins in plastic.

    K S
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    90% for mint state coins 1965-1998.
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most of them. As long as there's a single coin in a lower grade that is just as nice as a pop top, the pop top doesn't deserve to be treated with any more awe than that of the lower grade. Since pops of sub-tops are usually larger by an order of magnitude than pops of tops, chances are there is a just-as-nice or nicer coin at the sub-top grade.
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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    I expect a rather high percentage of top pops are no better than the next highest coin. Personally, I would be satisfied not owning any top pops, just give me the second best.image
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
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    << <i>I personally believe that a high percentage (if not an outright majority) of pop top coins are overgraded, inferior, reworked, doctored, conserved or otherwise not as good as they should be.
    >>


    This is a very useful thing for a dealer to believe. It leads to "No, the coin in my inventory isn't the highest graded coin, but it's actually better because that one is overgraded (or you can substitute doctored, conserved, or otherwise not as good as it should be). image

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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    in the big scheme of things, i wonder if PCGS really grades stricter or if the general opinion of the submitters changes over time?? it just always seems that we're of the opinion that "PCGS is really tough" all the time, or at least all the time that i've been a member here. i don't ever recall even the most brief timeframe when the general forum sense was that PCGS was really loose or really grading properly. they are always grading more strict than before, and that doesn't make sense.
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    << <i>Twist that around a bit. How many coins would be top pops if they weren't undergraded? >>



    Touche.
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    vplitevplite Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭


    << <i>42 >>



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    DoogyDoogy Posts: 4,508


    in this numismatic shell game? who knows.
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
    For the Classic collectors, every one of them!

    For the folks on the forums, quite a few!

    For those that submit them, not enough!

    For those that paid big bucks and own them, who cares?
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    garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    << how many top pop coins are over graded when compared to current pcgs grading? >>

    .02035892176% of total

    how many top pop coins are under graded when compared to current pcgs grading?

    .02035892176% of total


    That's why you should buy the coin not the holder!
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    << <i>Twist that around a bit. How many coins would be top pops if they weren't undergraded? >>

    thanks. >>



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    << <i>This is an excellent question, and one which I have discussed with collectors and dealers in the past.

    I personally believe that a high percentage (if not an outright majority) of pop top coins are overgraded, inferior, reworked, doctored, conserved or otherwise not as good as they should be. >>



    I personally think many if not most of these MS and PF color toned ones have been helped along, and with the case of seated stuff and other silver outright dipped and allowed to retone under ideal circumstances.. it's one reason I prefer circulated stuff.... high end toned stuff has become a bit passe due to them being "created" in ever increasing numbers. To me creating a toned monster and getting it into plastic might be profitable, but it's nothing to be proud of. To me these coins are "messed with" just as much as a dipped AU coin that is blast white.
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    For coins graded MS70: 100% (98% for PR70)
    Bob

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