Any dealers that SPECIALIZE in dipped, cleaned coins?
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Taking off from Bear's topic, I am wondering if there are dealers that are just honest and straightforward about coins that have been compromised in some way. I occasionally have a need for a cool coin, but know I couldn't afford an uncleaned, undipped variety. Where would I go to have a frank conversation with a dealer--and a much better price on the coin?
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I'm not saying that dealers are 'dip crazy', but everyone at sometime has dipped a coin.
And there's nothing wrong with this. Sometimes, a coin needs to be dipped. If done properly, the coin benefits. However, sometimes, the coin does not. There is a definite skill in knowing the outcome of the coin prior to the decision to dip the coin. You learn this through experience.
There is definitely a group of collectors who would never dip a coin.
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None of them, to my knowledge, advertise or promote that fact.
<< <i> but know I couldn't afford an uncleaned, undipped variety. >>
How do you know? There is a lot of untrue information about dipping on these boards. Sure, r=there are coins which have been dipped so much that they appear dead and lifeles. There are also coins which have been dipped, much to their benefit, that no one on this board could detect as dipped.
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<< <i>Plenty of full-page CW dealers specialize in them.
None of them, to my knowledge, advertise or promote that fact. >>
Good answer.
<< <i>Don't Dip! >>
Perhaps you'd like to elucidate your comment with some reasons, examples why one shouldn't dip certain coins that benefit greatly from the dipping. (Russ can give great examples of crappy, hazy proofs which were revealed to be supurb gems after dipping)
Your two word slogan with the requisite exclamation point really does little to make your case.
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There are many coins out there that are drab and lusterlous simply because they have been circulated, then dipped (which was a little silly) to try and pass them as BU coins. Folks refer to these as dipped out examples of the pitfalls of dipping when in reality it takes a lot of dipping to actually destroy a coin. I'm talking hours in a dip solution not mere seconds which is what the typical dip takes.
Dipping is an acceptable method of coin conservation but is not for every coin.
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<< <i>Jcarney, you have posted interesting comments. Could you please clarify and add to your thoughts. 1)"benefit greatly"-monetary? 2) "untrue information about dipping"- in what context and examples? 3) "much to their benefit"- in what way-again monetary or appearance or originality or deception? 4) Please make a case how the numismatic community/hobbyist/collector benefits from dipping. Thank You and Respectfully, John Curlis >>
Benefited monetarily and in appearance. 20th reply down.
Untrue information about dipping
Metals corrode and that is an established fact. Toning is light corrosion, dipping is light corrosion............................... choose your poison.
As for making a case for "how the numismatic community/hobbyist/collector benefits from dipping", no two coins will tone the same and if left completely alone, most will not turn into gorgeous peacock toned monters as get displayed on these boards. Some are just so butt ugly that they beg to be "conserved".
Both of these coins could benefit greatly from a quick dip. The coin on the left is an MS67 so it will never see conservation so its owner will just have to live with the ugly. The only saving grace for the one on the right is that its a 1964 Type B Reverse which is highly uncommon. I paid no where near market value for this PCGS Attributed MS64 coin soley due to the toning. Nobody wanted it. I paid twice as much for an attributed ICG in the same grade with the same attribution but which was untoned.
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Placing "cleaned" and "dipped" in the same category is foolhardy at best.
<< <i>Jcarney, you have posted interesting comments. Could you please clarify and add to your thoughts. 1)"benefit greatly"-monetary?
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Monetarily, no...not exclusively, at least not what I had in mind. Although I'm sure a hazed over, murky 1967 SMS Kennedy which is brought back to vibrant, deep-mirrored life through a 3 second dip would possibly increase it's value, I would be excited to have an attractive coin rather than a dull, hazy piece of crap which some would say was "original".
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2) "untrue information about dipping"- in what context and examples?
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That any coin which has been dipped is a dipped out, lusterless dog. I've seen this sentiment repeated on these boards for many years. For some coins, a proper dip has it's place, is not detectable and makes the coin look better. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about AU Bust or Seated coinage (and similar) here and obviously not copper of any kind.
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3) "much to their benefit"- in what way-again monetary or appearance or originality or deception?
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See above.
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4) Please make a case how the numismatic community/hobbyist/collector benefits from dipping. Thank You and Respectfully, John Curlis >>
I believe I have.
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<< <i>Jcarney, Thank You for your replies. 19Lyds, Thank You. It would seem that the case is not made to the satisfaction of all. Respectfully, John Curlis >>
As is usually the case when more than three people gather.
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<< <i>19Lyds,
truly everything is in the eyes of the beholder. The 25c on the left I have absolutley zero problems with and if I collected the type would be happy to own it. As far as the 25c on the right I don't see any toning whatsoever so I am wondering what I am not seeing? >>
Ugh!
The toning on this particular quarter (or should I say qarter?) looks more like carbon spot damage than actual toning and I really do not care for it. Nice even toning is one thing but this one just doesn't do it for me and evidently it didn't appeal to any buyers either. A PCGS MS64, attributed Type B quarter for $42.00 says quite a lot since 1964 is one of the more difficult dates to find.
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The "original is always best" coin community never ceases to amaze me. Often they make silly proclamations like, "I would never buy a coin with a hint of a fingerprint." Meanwhile, so many originally toned coins have fingerprints on them, with some more obvious than others. Dipping removes the toning that is often adjacent to the print pattern, which in turn completely eliminates the appearance of fingerprints. The non dippers hate fingerprints, but wouldn't dare dip a fingerprinted coin.
What exactly do they want?
The answer is: they want it all.........beautifully bright, or light golden mark-free silver centers, even golden or multi-colored toning near the rim, no spots, and not even a hint of a fingerprint pattern. They want a gradual transition in color, while always maintaining an even circle of toning perfection.
Of course, many of us would love to adhere to the aforementioned standard. However, those of us with limited funds will sometimes have to accept the once ugly "original", but now dipped, beautiful, radiant, glowing all white silver coin. We have standards too, but we are also rational enough to know that some of our white coins may have been dipped. If the luster is all there, and the marks are not too severe, we are happy.