Does the Bottom Edge of this '71 Munson look Wavey? WOW finished at $222.53!

ICE9 · May 19, 2008 4:39AM

mkg809 · May 19, 2008 4:49AM

WinPitcher · May 19, 2008 4:56AM

If you look at the cards reverse you can really see it.

From the front it could have been beveled, but the reverse does not lie.

Steve

sayheykid54 · May 19, 2008 5:02AM

Seller's like this that sell questionable product are going to be the one's hit hardest by Ebay's new feedback policies. A sure negative feedback now from the buyer, just a matter of time...

RipublicaninMass · May 19, 2008 6:35AM

Hang 10!

perkdog · May 19, 2008 6:44AM

Why would anyone bid on it in the first place though? Seriously, if you bid and win the auction you know up front what your getting into.

OAKESY25 · May 19, 2008 8:11AM

exactly.. but how could he write could grade 8..

VikingDude · May 20, 2008 11:38AM

I'm not sure what's worse - the trim job or the fact that there are six people that have bid on it?

JackWESQ · May 20, 2008 12:00PM

Geez! When it comes to cards, that's a tsunami!

/s/ JackWESQ

ICE9 · May 27, 2008 2:25AM

Someone's not going to be happy if they were planning to submit this card for grading.

Mike

julen23 · May 27, 2008 2:34AM

i have bought many raw cards from this seller.

very disappointing.

j

julen23 · May 27, 2008 2:36AM

good catch ice.

i e-mailed buyer, asking if they really looked closely at the scans?

j

onefasttalon · May 27, 2008 2:45AM

I picked up a '71 Munson a few weeks ago that has a similar cut on the bottom. It's the only thing keeping me from sending it on to get it graded.
On mine, the front DOES have some minor chipping, and the backside does not have the characteristic 'trimmed' edging. I was hoping it was cut that way from the factory. I'll probably send it in anyway with hopes that it's deemed fine, just cut a little poorly.

ALLBEIT, mine isn't near this bad though!

Kurtman9 · May 27, 2008 2:50AM

I saw this listing before it ended and noticed the wavy bottom edge. Looked like a factory miscut to me. I sent the seller a note. This was his response:

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The Munson does have a curvy wave in the middle of the card, bottom edge. The cards measures up, it looks like a factory job.
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I was hoping that he would add a sentence about this flaw to the listing, but he didn't.

StanTheManMusial · May 27, 2008 2:56AM

While I am not making an accusation towards the buyer, it would not be surprising if someone bought it and tried to clean that edge up and submit it for grading. With some of these professional trimmers, that edge could be shaved and ready to grade I have no doubt.

Like I said, I am not saying the buyer is a trimmer, just throwing out another possibility as to why people bid on this type of stuff when it's so clearly obvious.

WinPitcher · May 27, 2008 3:38AM

I know the winner of the card. Al does not buy junk.

Steve

jimq112 · May 27, 2008 3:46AM

<< While I am not making an accusation towards the buyer, it would not be surprising if someone bought it and tried to clean that edge up and submit it for grading. With some of these professional trimmers, that edge could be shaved and ready to grade I have no doubt.

Like I said, I am not saying the buyer is a trimmer, just throwing out another possibility as to why people bid on this type of stuff when it's so clearly obvious. >>

I don't know the buyer like Steve does, but I know his ebay ID. He spends a lot of money on early 70s cards and doesn't get outbid. I'm sure if it arrives and it is how it looks that he'll return it for a refund and find another one. The guy must have a heck of a collection!

BobaFett72 · May 27, 2008 3:46AM

why spend $200 on THIS card.

StanTheManMusial · May 27, 2008 3:53AM

<< I know the winner of the card. Al does not buy junk.

Steve >>

Thanks for commenting, Steve. Like I said, I was not accusing anything, just stating another possibility.

I wonder why he bought that one then? Seems odd to pay that, when the edge is that obvious.

StanTheManMusial · May 27, 2008 3:58AM

<< 

<< While I am not making an accusation towards the buyer, it would not be surprising if someone bought it and tried to clean that edge up and submit it for grading. With some of these professional trimmers, that edge could be shaved and ready to grade I have no doubt.

Like I said, I am not saying the buyer is a trimmer, just throwing out another possibility as to why people bid on this type of stuff when it's so clearly obvious. >>

I don't know the buyer like Steve does, but I know his ebay ID. He spends a lot of money on early 70s cards and doesn't get outbid. I'm sure if it arrives and it is how it looks that he'll return it for a refund and find another one. The guy must have a heck of a collection! >>

Yeah, that's what puzzled me. The card has an obvious hack job, and being a buyer who has bought alot, you would think he seen that issue? You think he seen it and wanted it anyway, even with the edge like that?

WinPitcher · May 27, 2008 4:40AM

I have no idea, maybe he too emailed the seller? He has bought so many things
we had a thread about him not to long ago. Maybe he is taking a chance on it?

Steve

Kurtman9 · May 27, 2008 4:42AM

<< The card has an obvious hack job, and being a buyer who has bought alot, you would think he seen that issue? You think he seen it and wanted it anyway, even with the edge like that? >>

Big difference between factory miscut and trimmed. This card looked plenty large enough which made me think it was factory mc. Plus, hard to believe a trimmer could do that bad of a job. I have a several nice factory MC cards in raw sets. Maybe Al is not planning this one for grading. But, I agree $200 is way too much for this card.

chaz43 · May 27, 2008 4:53AM

WAVY GRAVY !!!!!!!! chaz

WinPitcher · May 27, 2008 4:58AM

I have a 61 Don Cardwell with a similar wavy cut.

Steve

StanTheManMusial · May 27, 2008 5:00AM

<< 

<< The card has an obvious hack job, and being a buyer who has bought alot, you would think he seen that issue? You think he seen it and wanted it anyway, even with the edge like that? >>

Big difference between factory miscut and trimmed. This card looked plenty large enough which made me think it was factory mc. Plus, hard to believe a trimmer could do that bad of a job. I have a several nice factory MC cards in raw sets. Maybe Al is not planning this one for grading. But, I agree $200 is way too much for this card. >>

I am not implying that the card was trimmed or not. Whether this is a factory cutting issue, or an amateur trimmer getting their hands on it. I can't really say for sure. Either way, it's a hack job and that was all I meant.

I agree, and have seen some cards come this way from the factory. A guy in St Louis was buying this type of flawed stuff from the local shows back around 2001-2002, and taking some type of laser trimming device and cleaning them up. He sent alot of stuff in, and got his fair share of it holdered by BGS/BVG.

At least this is what he admitted it to me, when I ask him why he was buying stuff that had issues. He claimed he could take an OPC or Tiffany rough cuts and shave the fuzz/rough edge off to the point where the card would still measure properly to holder and could not be detected. Although I do not approve of this stuff, I have to admit he further educated me on how crooked parts of this hobby are.

Does the Bottom Edge of this '71 Munson look Wavey? *WOW* finished at $222.53!

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Does the Bottom Edge of this '71 Munson look Wavey? WOW finished at $222.53!