Does the Bottom Edge of this '71 Munson look Wavey? *WOW* finished at $222.53!

ICE9

Surf city? Or is it my eyes?

mkg809

WinPitcher

If you look at the cards reverse you can really see it.

From the front it could have been beveled, but the reverse does not lie.


Steve

sayheykid54

Seller's like this that sell questionable product are going to be the one's hit hardest by Ebay's new feedback policies. A sure negative feedback now from the buyer, just a matter of time...

RipublicaninMass

Hang 10!

perkdog

Why would anyone bid on it in the first place though? Seriously, if you bid and win the auction you know up front what your getting into.

OAKESY25

exactly.. but how could he write could grade 8..

VikingDude

I'm not sure what's worse - the trim job or the fact that there are six people that have bid on it?

JackWESQ

Geez! When it comes to cards, that's a tsunami!

/s/ JackWESQ

ICE9

Someone's not going to be happy if they were planning to submit this card for grading.

Mike

julen23

i have bought many raw cards from this seller.

very disappointing.

j

julen23

good catch ice.

i e-mailed buyer, asking if they really looked closely at the scans?

j

onefasttalon

I picked up a '71 Munson a few weeks ago that has a similar cut on the bottom. It's the only thing keeping me from sending it on to get it graded.
On mine, the front DOES have some minor chipping, and the backside does not have the characteristic 'trimmed' edging. I was hoping it was cut that way from the factory. I'll probably send it in anyway with hopes that it's deemed fine, just cut a little poorly.

ALLBEIT, mine isn't near this bad though!

Kurtman9

I saw this listing before it ended and noticed the wavy bottom edge. Looked like a factory miscut to me. I sent the seller a note. This was his response:

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The Munson does have a curvy wave in the middle of the card, bottom edge. The cards measures up, it looks like a factory job.
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I was hoping that he would add a sentence about this flaw to the listing, but he didn't.

StanTheManMusial

While I am not making an accusation towards the buyer, it would not be surprising if someone bought it and tried to clean that edge up and submit it for grading. With some of these professional trimmers, that edge could be shaved and ready to grade I have no doubt.

Like I said, I am not saying the buyer is a trimmer, just throwing out another possibility as to why people bid on this type of stuff when it's so clearly obvious.

WinPitcher

I know the winner of the card. Al does not buy junk.


Steve

jimq112

<< <i>While I am not making an accusation towards the buyer, it would not be surprising if someone bought it and tried to clean that edge up and submit it for grading. With some of these professional trimmers, that edge could be shaved and ready to grade I have no doubt.

Like I said, I am not saying the buyer is a trimmer, just throwing out another possibility as to why people bid on this type of stuff when it's so clearly obvious. >>



I don't know the buyer like Steve does, but I know his ebay ID. He spends a lot of money on early 70s cards and doesn't get outbid. I'm sure if it arrives and it is how it looks that he'll return it for a refund and find another one. The guy must have a heck of a collection!

BobaFett72

why spend $200 on THIS card.

StanTheManMusial

<< <i>I know the winner of the card. Al does not buy junk.


Steve >>



Thanks for commenting, Steve. Like I said, I was not accusing anything, just stating another possibility.

I wonder why he bought that one then? Seems odd to pay that, when the edge is that obvious.

StanTheManMusial

<< <i>

<< <i>While I am not making an accusation towards the buyer, it would not be surprising if someone bought it and tried to clean that edge up and submit it for grading. With some of these professional trimmers, that edge could be shaved and ready to grade I have no doubt.

Like I said, I am not saying the buyer is a trimmer, just throwing out another possibility as to why people bid on this type of stuff when it's so clearly obvious. >>



I don't know the buyer like Steve does, but I know his ebay ID. He spends a lot of money on early 70s cards and doesn't get outbid. I'm sure if it arrives and it is how it looks that he'll return it for a refund and find another one. The guy must have a heck of a collection! >>



Yeah, that's what puzzled me. The card has an obvious hack job, and being a buyer who has bought alot, you would think he seen that issue? You think he seen it and wanted it anyway, even with the edge like that?

WinPitcher

I have no idea, maybe he too emailed the seller? He has bought so many things
we had a thread about him not to long ago. Maybe he is taking a chance on it?

Steve

Kurtman9

<< <i>The card has an obvious hack job, and being a buyer who has bought alot, you would think he seen that issue? You think he seen it and wanted it anyway, even with the edge like that? >>



Big difference between factory miscut and trimmed. This card looked plenty large enough which made me think it was factory mc. Plus, hard to believe a trimmer could do that bad of a job. I have a several nice factory MC cards in raw sets. Maybe Al is not planning this one for grading. But, I agree $200 is way too much for this card.

chaz43

WAVY GRAVY !!!!!!!! chaz

WinPitcher

I have a 61 Don Cardwell with a similar wavy cut.

Steve

StanTheManMusial

<< <i>

<< <i>The card has an obvious hack job, and being a buyer who has bought alot, you would think he seen that issue? You think he seen it and wanted it anyway, even with the edge like that? >>



Big difference between factory miscut and trimmed. This card looked plenty large enough which made me think it was factory mc. Plus, hard to believe a trimmer could do that bad of a job. I have a several nice factory MC cards in raw sets. Maybe Al is not planning this one for grading. But, I agree $200 is way too much for this card. >>



I am not implying that the card was trimmed or not. Whether this is a factory cutting issue, or an amateur trimmer getting their hands on it. I can't really say for sure. Either way, it's a hack job and that was all I meant.

I agree, and have seen some cards come this way from the factory. A guy in St Louis was buying this type of flawed stuff from the local shows back around 2001-2002, and taking some type of laser trimming device and cleaning them up. He sent alot of stuff in, and got his fair share of it holdered by BGS/BVG.

At least this is what he admitted it to me, when I ask him why he was buying stuff that had issues. He claimed he could take an OPC or Tiffany rough cuts and shave the fuzz/rough edge off to the point where the card would still measure properly to holder and could not be detected. Although I do not approve of this stuff, I have to admit he further educated me on how crooked parts of this hobby are.