HOF'er? What say ye?

hofautos · May 18, 2008 11:43AM

$15 - yea, i know 80s garbage, but one of my faves...

detroitfan2 · May 18, 2008 11:49AM

The man could hit, that's for sure.

Is it just me though, or was Edgar a tad "larger" later in his career?

TJMAC · May 18, 2008 11:51AM

One man's garbage is another man's treasure. I still buy PSA star rookies of later 80's players. To me they represent the game at the time I watched it and I want them in my collection. If no one wants them that is fine with me. I guess they will be cheaper. Nice pickup!!!

BobaFett72 · May 18, 2008 12:52PM

great hitter, HOF? dunno. he languished in the minors for 3-4 seasons and lost valuable time in the majors, heck he didnt become a regular till age 27. But they let Orlando Cepeda in the HOF and Edgar (I think) is a far better hitter.

Stone193 · May 18, 2008 12:59PM

Superb card!

HOF? Not too sure on that one. I always liked him.

I would sure like a 10 in an 88F Glavine.

Thanx for sharing
mike

digicat · May 18, 2008 2:06PM

<< But they let Orlando Cepeda in the HOF and Edgar (I think) is a far better hitter. >>

A major difference here is that Cepeda was a position player, Edgar spent most of his career as a DH. Cepeda also has an MVP award, while Martinez has none. However, Edgar finished 3rd in 1995, behind Mo Vaughn (Mitchell Report) and Albert Belle (cork), so maybe that'll count for something?

A pure DH with solid stats hasn't come before the BBWAA committee for a vote yet, so we'll see. Maybe he'll languish on the ballot for years like Sutter and Gossage did before getting in. Guess we'll see in 2010.

fkw · May 18, 2008 2:20PM

The HOF is already diluted Id say 25% dont belong.

Edgar does compare to many HOFers favorabily.

For every 162 games they played......

AVE HR RBI
Edgar Martinez .312 24 99
Mickey Mantle .298 32 102
Orlando Cepeda .297 29 104
George Brett .305 19 95
Cal Ripken .276 23 91
Ryan Sandberg .285 21 79
Paul Molitor .306 14 79
Gary Carter .262 23 86
Tony Perez .279 22 96

etc. etc.

perkdog · May 18, 2008 2:20PM

<< The man could hit, that's for sure.

Is it just me though, or was Edgar a tad "larger" later in his career? >>

Goot · May 18, 2008 2:51PM

<< 

For every 162 games they played......

>>

But did he ever really play the game like it is intended to be played?

CDsNuts · May 18, 2008 2:51PM

Historical Hall of Fame arguers are idiots. First of all, the voters are completely different than they were 30 years ago. To compare Edgar to Cepeda or Mantle or Ruth or Kluzewski or anybody else from any other era is just stupid. The rules are different, the stats are different, the pitching is different, the technoligy is different, and just about everything else is different.

When determining whether somebody should be in the Hall, you look at the contribution to the game during their era, and even that might not matter. You also can't determine what the HOF voters have in their heads. Guys like Murphy, Rice, Garvey, Dawson, Parrish, and Valenzuela were considered locks during their career, but the HOF voters have different ideas. In 1994, Sutter gets 24% and Garvey gets 36%; In 2006 Sutter is elected and Garvey has 26%. The voting process makes no sense.

Edgar might get votes, he might not. A group might campaign for him to get in which would increase his chances. No one has any idea.

We all know Edgar was a dominating hitter throughout the 90s and early 00s. Why should we let what the fickle HOF voters determine how we feel about him?

BobaFett72 · May 18, 2008 2:53PM

theres gonna be a few guys who played a lot of DH in their career headed to the HOF... Frank Thomas, Jim Thome; granted it's easier cause their 500+ HR guys...

RoarIn84 · May 18, 2008 6:52PM

if Edgar could have made it to 10000 atbats, he would have made it to 3000 hits. this would have made his stats pretty much equal to Paul Molitor and he'd be in. both were pretty blah in the field and ended up being glorified DH material...... (rant alert) why oh why do we still have the ridiculous DH???? i say get yr arse out there and play! if you have a hole in yr glove and all you can do is wave a bat, there's always pinch hitting, AAA, PRACTICE or retirement. sorry to sound evil, but Vive Le Toronto for giving 'The ex-Big Hurt' his papers. now if someone can smack the Tigers execs in the head and dump Sheffield, we could progress......could go on.

digicat · May 19, 2008 1:11AM

Edgar's got an up hill battle. He doesn't have the milestone numbers and he doesn't have the MVP awards. Guess we'll see.

Ironmanfan · May 19, 2008 2:41AM

the only way Edgar gets in is with the $15 admission like the rest of us...

TomGshotput · May 19, 2008 3:00AM

<< We all know Edgar was a dominating hitter throughout the 90s and early 00s. Why should we let what the fickle HOF voters determine how we feel about him? >>

Anyone is allowed to feel how they wish about another man. But all the evidence points to Edgar Martinez being below well-established standards

Tabe · May 19, 2008 3:25AM

Edgar will make the HOF - the Mariner team HOF. But MLB? Not a chance. He was an excellent player but not a great one.

Tabe

bigfische · May 19, 2008 3:29AM

<< if Edgar could have made it to 10000 atbats, he would have made it to 3000 hits. >>

Isnt this true for every .300 hitter?

shagrotn77 · May 19, 2008 3:39AM

I don't think he'll make it. Baines was a similar player and he gets zero love from the HOF voters. I can't see how Edgar would get THAT much more love that he'd get inducted, and Baines barely stays on the ballot.

gumbyfan · May 19, 2008 4:14AM

<< if Edgar could have made it to 10000 atbats, he would have made it to 3000 hits. this would have made his stats pretty much equal to Paul Molitor and he'd be in. both were pretty blah in the field and ended up being glorified DH material...... (rant alert) why oh why do we still have the ridiculous DH???? i say get yr arse out there and play! if you have a hole in yr glove and all you can do is wave a bat, there's always pinch hitting, AAA, PRACTICE or retirement. sorry to sound evil, but Vive Le Toronto for giving 'The ex-Big Hurt' his papers. now if someone can smack the Tigers execs in the head and dump Sheffield, we could progress......could go on. >>

Comparing Edgar's numbers to Molitor's is a bit misleading. Molitor was a little more than "glorified DH material", I'd say. At points throughout his career, he played every position in the field. He played a total of 1495 games in the field and 1174 at DH. Molitor played 56% of his games in the field and had a .970 fielding percentage. Edgar played 30% of his games in the field and had a .952 fielding percentage. Edgar averaged 401 AB's per season. Molitor averaged 516. Molitor was a leadoff hitter, so his RBI numbers are lower (on average) and Runs are higher. Molitor's 504 stolen bases is also a bit higher than Edgar's 49.

All said, Molitor got the requisite 3000 hits in order to get a call from the Hall. Edgar did not...in fact, not even close at 2247. He was a good player and had a very nice career. Unfortunately, he's not Hallworthy.

HOF'er? What say ye?

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