$1,000 burning a hole in my pocket.... what should I buy?

Ok, well my coin sales are done. I netted a little over $2,000. I sent 135 cards to PSA last week on the $5 special. I spent a couple hundred on misc Dodger and UCLA cards. I have about a grand left. Any thoughts on what I should buy? I am speaking of spending the money on sports cards before anybody starts a witty reply of other items that could be purchased for a grand. Also, I have investments so don't need the advice that I normally give people who starts these type of threads. I am looking for a card or cards, pre 1970. Sure if somebody thinks a certain card, or segement of cards, is under valued I would look at that. However, future appreciation is not my primary focus. Looking to improve my collection with a cool card or cards. Maybe to phrase the question another way, what sports card(s) would YOU buy if you had a grand burning a hole in your pocket? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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- A PSA 7 Dr. J RC
- A PSA 6 Bob Gibson RC
- A PSA 6 Frank Robinson RC
- A PSA 6 Oscar Robertson RC
- A PSA 5 Unitas RC
- A PSA 7 Gale Sayers RC
But, I would wait a few months for prices to decrease.
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Am curious Lee, do you like the mix of cards as an "investment" or just to have more cool cards? That is, I have heard some people suggest lower grade cards could be good investments since the premium paid for the higher grade can be so extreme.
<< <i>All (except the lapdance suggestion) are good thoughts. Thank you to all. I did anticipate the lap dance type response but I guess my original post was not clear.
Am curious Lee, do you like the mix of cards as an "investment" or just to have more cool cards? That is, I have heard some people suggest lower grade cards could be good investments since the premium paid for the higher grade can be so extreme. >>
I think the prices on lower/mid grade cards are only going to decrease. I wouldn't invest in anything worse than a 7. I say that because as collections are unearthed and graded, it's unlikely there will be 500 more Unitas rookies in PSA 8 but it's very likely more 5's will surface. I know this is all common knowledge, but I figured I'd state the obvious.
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larry, to answer your question, I just prefer to have many really good cards than one great card, especially if that great card can be included in the really good cards in only slightly lesser condition. That's just my preference, and I'd also consider it to be a better investment. I also get more enoyment out of having a well-rounded collection that will at least maintain its value over the long run, rather than a couple very valuable cards by today's standards, that may or may not maintain their value in the future.
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i dont think this set will ever b discounted either, so solid investment.
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There would probably be enough money left over for a PSA 7 rookie of a late '50s or early '60s less popular HOFer, such as Mazeroski, Bunning, B. Williams, Aparicio, Perry, or Cepeda. One of those is fairly cool in its own right.
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<< <i>Vito- I disagree. The artificial premium placed on cards with slightly fewer miniscule flaws will come back down to earth at some point. A 7 should not sell for twice as much as a 6. An 8 should not sell for 3 times as much as a 7. A 9 shouldn't sell for 15 times that. These so-called high grade cards will not maintain their outrageous value as people begin to realize it makes more sense to have 3 PSA 7 Unitas RCs than one 8 with only slightly better eye appeal. Your argument that there will be an even bigger separation from one grade to the next simply because of supply is not rational because the market is already acting irrationally and it will not continue to act even more irrational over the long run. The notion that a PSA 5 Johnny Unitas RC will be worth less than $200 in the future just doesn't make any sense to me, but I can certainly see a $20,000 PSA 9 Unitas RC losing value.
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Lee, I tend to disagree for this reason...there will always be crazy rich people who collect cards. Those people will always want to have what is considered the "best" That said, I agree that there should not be a 500% difference between a 5 and an 8. That's just ridiculous. I do stick to my theory that if there are 1000 Unitas rookies out there to be graded, it is very likely that of those 1000, there will be more than likely (and I'm kind of talking out you know what here) 50 2's 50 3's 100 4's 400 5's 200 6's 100 7's 50 8's 23 9's and 2 10's. That would sound fairly rational to me. Now, if that's the case, and SMR on a 5 is 200 and SMR on an 8 is 1000, shouldn't the values of all cards when the pop report goes up decrease slightly based on supply and demand? Now, I would agree that the value of a 9 would drop more than that of a 5 because there are less people that can afford a 9, but the value of the 5 has to decrease as well, no? Plus, because there are fewer 9's than 5's and the percentages will still equal out in the end, wouldn't the market as a whole be effected the same way by and influx of a particular graded card?
I don't know. I've only been into grading cards for a year. I'm perfectly content to let someone set me straight on the issue.
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Let supply and demand work for you.
Modern cards of Mantle, Clemente, etc. are extremely common and no big deal to advanced collectors.
PS. When the Bronx Baby Boomers start leaving us......... Mickey Mantle cards will eventually drop in value to where they should be. Most fans from outside the Bronx know that Mantle was just an average HOFer with numbers similar to or less than Killebrew, F.Robinson, Mathews, Banks, etc.
average Mantle season
450 At Bats
29 HRs
83 RBIs
.298 AVE
I'm just kidding, but if you change your mind, I'll help you out.
A PSA 7 Dr. J RC
- A PSA 6 Bob Gibson RC
- A PSA 6 Frank Robinson RC
- A PSA 6 Oscar Robertson RC
- A PSA 5 Unitas RC
- A PSA 7 Gale Sayers RC
Of course, it could be tweaked to fit your favorites. Maybe switch the Oscar for a West, Unitas for a Starr, Sayers for Butkus. But that is a nice 6 card group for a grand. I think HOFer RC's from early football sets are good investments. I also like HOFers from 48 bowman and 57/8 topps basketball, because even though I like the 61/2 fleer better, I think those sets are more rare and cond. sensitive. Not sure if they are already as high as they will go, however.
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<< <i>Good points by Vito and CDsnuts. I completely agree with some sort of a grouping like Lee said:
A PSA 7 Dr. J RC
- A PSA 6 Bob Gibson RC
- A PSA 6 Frank Robinson RC
- A PSA 6 Oscar Robertson RC
- A PSA 5 Unitas RC
- A PSA 7 Gale Sayers RC
Of course, it could be tweaked to fit your favorites. Maybe switch the Oscar for a West, Unitas for a Starr, Sayers for Butkus. But that is a nice 6 card group for a grand. I think HOFer RC's from early football sets are good investments. I also like HOFers from 48 bowman and 57/8 topps basketball, because even though I like the 61/2 fleer better, I think those sets are more rare and cond. sensitive. Not sure if they are already as high as they will go, however.
John >>
John, I agree on 57 Topps Basketball. 61 Fleer is about as good as it's going to get right now. 57 Basketball will get better because it's even more condition sensitive (if that's possible) than 61 Fleer plus, when some of the HOFers kick off, the cards will increase in value - at least you would think. It's amazing about the #1 and last card in each of those sets (Attles/Clifton and West IA/Schnittiker) - all the problems with baseball sets are mirrored in their basketball counterparts. Those cards are TOUGH in high grade.
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I love the commentary on this thread. Lots of good points.
Whatever you choose to do with the grand, I think you should consider a McCovey and/or Yaz Rookie.
There are some very nice looking examples available for what I consider a reasonable amount of money.
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Peoples desire to own the best will trump any "logical" reason why a card shouldn't be so high, or a 9 is only a fraction better than a 8. Look at crazy prices in real estate...someone built a billion dollar house in India. And the card world is still small vs coins, comics.
A grand in my pocket?
A nice '33 or '34 Goudey Gehrig.
Looks like a nice card for the money, 34 Goudey Gehrig
Or a T206 Cobb.
My first choice would be a '33 Goudey Ruth, but I think those run a little higher than $1,000. In PSA 3.
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<< <i>Vito- I disagree. The artificial premium placed on cards with slightly fewer miniscule flaws will come back down to earth at some point. A 7 should not sell for twice as much as a 6. An 8 should not sell for 3 times as much as a 7. A 9 shouldn't sell for 15 times that. These so-called high grade cards will not maintain their outrageous value as people begin to realize it makes more sense to have 3 PSA 7 Unitas RCs than one 8 with only slightly better eye appeal. Your argument that there will be an even bigger separation from one grade to the next simply because of supply is not rational because the market is already acting irrationally and it will not continue to act even more irrational over the long run. The notion that a PSA 5 Johnny Unitas RC will be worth less than $200 in the future just doesn't make any sense to me, but I can certainly see a $20,000 PSA 9 Unitas RC losing value.
larry, to answer your question, I just prefer to have many really good cards than one great card, especially if that great card can be included in the really good cards in only slightly lesser condition. That's just my preference, and I'd also consider it to be a better investment. I also get more enoyment out of having a well-rounded collection that will at least maintain its value over the long run, rather than a couple very valuable cards by today's standards, that may or may not maintain their value in the future. >>
I disagree. There should be huge premiums the higher the grade. Consider the serious collectors have a LOT of bucks. If you were a multi-millionaire and wanted to put together a nice collection that you would be proud to own, you wouldn't mind spending $10,000 on a psa 8 Hank Aaaron rookie, where you would have no desire for anything less. $10,000 to a multi-millioinaire is like $10 to most of us. There will always be huge premiums on the most rare and nicest cards. Also, as the rich get richer, the higher grade more rare cards will continue to climb, especially if there are only a couple dozen in the high grade, where there may be hundreds if not thousands of the same card in lower grades.
Whether you think there shouldn't be 500% difference (or more) between a 5 and an 8 is irrelevant to those that can afford it.
I'll second what CARDKid said about a T206 Cobb - a red portrait, bat on shoulder, or bat off shoulder is doable for under $1000 in PSA 3/SGC 40.
Consider also some autographs. I'm very partial to Paluso lithographs from his series of 55 in 1991 - mostly baseball, but a few of other sports (signed by both the artist and player, and numbered). "Common" HOFers (Sewell, Herman, Sutton, Kiner, Boudreau, Appling, etc.) can readily be found for $30 or less, while even ones like Koufax and Williams can be done for $500 or so. Professionally matted and framed, they are fantastic display pieces.
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<< <i>hofautos - the difference between a 5 and an 8 is normally readily apparent upon looking at the card. The difference between an 8, 9, and 10 is often not apparent to anyone but a trained observer on careful examination. The price premium for 9s and 10s as compared to 8s is therefore far more susceptible to wealthy collectors deciding that there should be no significant premium for differences that they cannot even detect other than a number on a slab.
Nick >>
You really need to do a card by card basis for those astronomical differences in prices.
I agree sometimes it is hard to tell between a 9 and a 10, but should be easily between an 8 and a 10, unless there was a gross error. Even if you see a 9 that looks better than a 10, the 10 will undoubtedly get more $.
The bigger the difference in price will really be determined by the scarcity in the higher grade, and the popularity of the card.
Take the 1954 aaron for example. what is it the poppage between 7,8,9,10?
I really do not know, but I could easily see a 7 selling for $1500, and a 9 selling for $10000 plus simply because the serious collectors that have bottomless pockets have no desire for a 7, even if that 7 looks just as nice as the 9. Whether it makes sense or not, again, is immaterial to the highend collectors. People that have million dollar budgets for their collection don't think the same as the common collector.
centered one of these $1000
THE MANTLE $1200
There are too many cobbs in the $1000 psa 3 range...you can find those easily and the prices haven't moved as much as the others listed.
<< <i>Best looking,well centered of any of these football cards....
48 Sammy Baugh PSA 5 @ $350
57 Johnny Unitas PSA 7 @ $425
57 Bart Star PSA 7 @ $475
58 Jim Brown PSA 7 @ $500
65 Joe Namath PSA 6 @ $850
66 Dick Butkus PSA 7 @ $400
66 Gale Sayers PSA 8 @ $450
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Mid-grad Namath's have appreciated about $100 / yr the last 3 years. PSA 5's are now over $500, 6's are nearing the $1k mark and 7's are upwards and over $2k on a regular basis.
Baugh has appreciated a little bit, the others have held pretty steady.
T-206's in mid-grade are always a solid investment. Or at least, they don't lose value.
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You can always get hundred dollar cards - rarely do you have a grand laying around. Nice quandry to have though.
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<< <i>I'd buy one really spectacular 1950's HOF card in PSA 8 rather than a group, even paying a premium for the spectacular eye appeal. Pick a real jaw dropper that you'll always enjoy.
You can always get hundred dollar cards - rarely do you have a grand laying around. Nice quandry to have though. >>
I tend to agree with this. Why not buy a showpiece if you're just doing it for your personal collection?
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<< <i>I'd buy one really spectacular 1950's HOF card in PSA 8 rather than a group, even paying a premium for the spectacular eye appeal. Pick a real jaw dropper that you'll always enjoy.
You can always get hundred dollar cards - rarely do you have a grand laying around. Nice quandry to have though. >>
Yea, like one of the few that I showed or something similar. Also, you will realize better profit by buying one over several lesser expensive cards, and it's easier to move if you need to down the road, and also more pride in having one sweet card over a few lesser cards.
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<< <i>I'd buy one really spectacular 1950's HOF card in PSA 8 rather than a group, even paying a premium for the spectacular eye appeal. Pick a real jaw dropper that you'll always enjoy.
You can always get hundred dollar cards - rarely do you have a grand laying around. Nice quandry to have though. >>
Yea, like one of the few that I showed or something similar. Also, you will realize better profit by buying one over several lesser expensive cards, and it's easier to move if you need to down the road, and also more pride in having one sweet card over a few lesser cards. >>
Exactly - I don't see a card like this decreasing in value:
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Edit to add:I'm not sure if this is a good price or not.
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<< <i>Russell's RC is hard to find:midgrade SGC Russell
Edit to add:I'm not sure if this is a good price or not. >>
SMR on a 5 is $700. That's a pretty nice 5. I've seen 5's sell for anywhere from 500-800. You could probably snag a decent 6 for $1000. I'll need a 5 for my set eventually and my budget will be about $650
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<< <i>Vito- I disagree. The artificial premium placed on cards with slightly fewer miniscule flaws will come back down to earth at some point. A 7 should not sell for twice as much as a 6. An 8 should not sell for 3 times as much as a 7. A 9 shouldn't sell for 15 times that. These so-called high grade cards will not maintain their outrageous value as people begin to realize it makes more sense to have 3 PSA 7 Unitas RCs than one 8 with only slightly better eye appeal. Your argument that there will be an even bigger separation from one grade to the next simply because of supply is not rational because the market is already acting irrationally and it will not continue to act even more irrational over the long run. The notion that a PSA 5 Johnny Unitas RC will be worth less than $200 in the future just doesn't make any sense to me, but I can certainly see a $20,000 PSA 9 Unitas RC losing value.
larry, to answer your question, I just prefer to have many really good cards than one great card, especially if that great card can be included in the really good cards in only slightly lesser condition. That's just my preference, and I'd also consider it to be a better investment. I also get more enoyment out of having a well-rounded collection that will at least maintain its value over the long run, rather than a couple very valuable cards by today's standards, that may or may not maintain their value in the future. >>
LEE, true but the high end cards have not slowed down, they have only been accelerating as more collectors enter the market....i mean the beckett wagner 1 sold for over $300,000!!!!!!! say what??????? i said $300,000........
if people followed your advice thelast few years they would have missed out on some major profits in the bigtime cards....
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I buy to either flip immediately (if I think I can make a profit) or to keep in my collection because I think they will at the very least maintain their value over the next 20 years.
Once he approaches the record they will be $300+ all day.
<< <i>It's really all just guesswork. If I really knew what was gonna happen in the future I'd be a rich man by now. >>
<< <i>....just about everything that hit an insane price level 5-7 years ago has not maintained its value: >>
I think if you look at any of the classic key rookies i suggested (especially in higher grades), they have all gone up over the past 5-7 years and will continue to do so, short of a global US economy meltdown...
e.g.
T206 cobb,johnson,cy,christy
33 ruth
34 gehrig
39 teddie/dimaggio/musial
48 leaf jackie
52 mantle/mays
54 aaron
55 clemente
55 koufax
57 frank robinson
The novelty of owning a 1/1 or the highest grade of a card will wear off as people grow tired of the registry and graded cards in general. Whether we're talking about key RCs or low pop 10s, it's simply impossible for these cards to maintain the artificial premiums that are placed on them. Clemente RCs and Mantle cards and Jordan cards and Manning cards will always be in demand, but that doesn't mean that people will always be throwing money at them because of the slab they're in. Simply put, the concepts of PSA 9, PSA 10 and Low Pop will not mean as much to people in the future as they do now. Condition will always be important, but people will not be willing to spend up to 20x more for a card because centering is 2 degrees better or the corners are sharp under 10x magnification.