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"Light Cameo"...Is There Such an Animal?

Light Cameo to me means no cameo whatsoever. An e-bay marketing term. Of course, I could be wrong.

Do the TPG's recognize "light cameo" or is my assumption correct?
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    No, they don't have a light cameo designation, but there certainly are light cameos.

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    UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No, they don't have a light cameo designation, but there certainly are light cameos.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Yeah, what he said....

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    As the die is used to produce coins the frosting on the devices wears off. The result is strong frost fading slightly with each impression until no frost is left. So cameo is not a yes/no thing. It is where on the curve do you draw a line. A standard says here is where we draw the line, coins with more contrast are cameo those with less are not. However some just miss or just make it.
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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    "Light Cameo" means that if you submit it thinking you would get a Cameo Designation and it comes back with out it, they more or less already told you so.
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    eCoinquesteCoinquest Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭
    Especially with older proof, there is a light cameo most of the time. A nice deep cameo is very rare.
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    RWWRWW Posts: 268 ✭✭✭
    Slightly off-topic, but related...how do mirrors/lack of mirrors come into the equation? I've seen a number of slabbed (NGC and PCGS) coins with lots of frost but lacking mirrors that didn't have the cameo designation. Any thoughts on this?
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    GrivGriv Posts: 2,804
    Sure, just like slightly pregnant. image
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    SpaceMonkeySpaceMonkey Posts: 3,311
    this would seem to fall into that category?

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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    spacemonkey


    << <i>this would seem to fall into that category?

    -sm >>



    Ahhhh...but then again it is a PROOF!

    nice
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    JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154


    << <i>No, they don't have a light cameo designation, but there certainly are light cameos.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Although NGC sometimes gives the * designation for a lightly cameo'd coin that doesn't quite make the full CAM.

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    JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154


    << <i>this would seem to fall into that category?

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    No. That would seem to be undergraded. image

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    OneCentOneCent Posts: 3,561
    Maybe this would qualify as "light cameo"?

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    BoomBoom Posts: 10,165
    Great example Space Monkey.

    Yes, there are some that hint at Cameo that are right on the bubble but according to PCGS standards, a coin must be CAMEO on BOTH sides to get the CAM attribution.

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    GrivGriv Posts: 2,804
    PCG has the DCAM and CAM grades. I'd think CAM would be considered "light".
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    SpaceMonkeySpaceMonkey Posts: 3,311


    << <i>

    << <i>this would seem to fall into that category?

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    No. That would seem to be undergraded. image

    John >>











    though I will say.. in hand is a bit more even across the surfaces... ie a touch less "CAMEO" then the image suggests... depends on the angle viewed... OOOHHH SO CLOSE!






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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCG has the DCAM and CAM grades. I'd think CAM would be considered "light". >>



    Respectfully disagree. Light cameo does not get a designation of cameo. Yes Cam is lighter than DCAM, but not light by any means.

    THe Morgan in question is light cameo on the obverse and cameo on the reverse, hence no CAM designation.

    For a coin to get the designation, BOTH sides need to meet the minimum criteria.
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    ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>this would seem to fall into that category?

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    MoneyLAMoneyLA Posts: 1,825
    a cameo is a coin with all of the devices frosted. a deep cameo has all of the devices frosted with more intense frosting.

    a light camera, in my opinion, is a coin that lacks complete frosting of the devices... the partial frosting could be deep or light... it doesnt matter... incomplete frosting kills any cam or dcam designation.

    just my opinion on this one.
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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421
    Here is a bad pic of a light cameo of mine:

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