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It's hard not to feel for this guy !!
Buckner talks about throwing out the first pitch in the season opener .........
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Buckner talks about throwing out the first pitch in the season opener .........
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hopefully the sox fans have forgiven this poor guy, im glad he never slit his wrists over a silly error.
Absolutely disgusted they had him in Fenway today, also if he had any self respect he would have declined this foolish idea.
<< <i>I can only assume you have as much or more venom for Shiraldi, Stanley and Gedman who contributed more than Buckner to that Game 6 debacle right? Especially Shiraldi who seeled the deal in Game 7 as well. >>
Ofcourse I do- but they are not throwing out the first pitch of a season where we are handing out WS rings! It just puts a bad aura on the season IMO..
Sorry Paul, I was thrilled when that happened
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Sorry Paul, I was thrilled when that happened
Your always ok with me matt..
Ofcourse I would have snapped at you had we not won it in '04 & '07
<< <i>So I guess Bartman will be throwing out a first pitch once the Cubs win the WS? >>
Yeah, but where was Moises Alou with his "I wouldn't have caught that ball anyway" back when Bartman was a wanted man?
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<< <i>M.E.T.S METS! METS! METS!
Sorry Paul, I was thrilled when that happened
Your always ok with me matt..
Ofcourse I would have snapped at you had we not won it in '04 & '07
No you wouldn't have Paul. I have lots of Tom Brady cards so I get a pass
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<< <i>M.E.T.S METS! METS! METS!
Sorry Paul, I was thrilled when that happened
Your always ok with me matt..
Ofcourse I would have snapped at you had we not won it in '04 & '07
No you wouldn't have Paul. I have lots of Tom Brady cards so I get a pass
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<< <i>I'm all for it as long as it spreads bad karma around the Sox.
Steve >>
Oh Yea Steve?
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<< <i>I think its ridiculas that they had him throw out the first pitch. I harbor a lot of bad feelings towards him and NEVER want him in Fenway again, I dont wish anything bad on him as far as him being a man or anything but the bottom line he was involved in one of the most embarrasing plays in the history of the Boston Red Sox. And yes I realize he is not 100% to blame but he is more to blame than not.
Absolutely disgusted they had him in Fenway today, also if he had any self respect he would have declined this foolish idea.
Sir then I believe you should not be a Red Sox fan IMHO.
Buckner was a great baseball player who should not have even been in there for that play.
McNamara should have the lion's share of you bad feelings followed WAY behind by Bob Stanley who never broke to 1st and never would have recorded the out if Buckner had caught the ball.
If they don't have Buckner that year I doubt they even make it to the World Series.
Please tell me you're not one of those fools who yells "Yankees Suck" all the time.
<< <i>I think its ridiculas that they had him throw out the first pitch. I harbor a lot of bad feelings towards him and NEVER want him in Fenway again, I dont wish anything bad on him as far as him being a man or anything but the bottom line he was involved in one of the most embarrasing plays in the history of the Boston Red Sox. And yes I realize he is not 100% to blame but he is more to blame than not.
Absolutely disgusted they had him in Fenway today, also if he had any self respect he would have declined this foolish idea.
Hey Perk....if Buckner was on a 52 bowman large....would you feel any different?
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<< <i>I think its ridiculas that they had him throw out the first pitch. I harbor a lot of bad feelings towards him and NEVER want him in Fenway again, I dont wish anything bad on him as far as him being a man or anything but the bottom line he was involved in one of the most embarrasing plays in the history of the Boston Red Sox. And yes I realize he is not 100% to blame but he is more to blame than not.
Absolutely disgusted they had him in Fenway today, also if he had any self respect he would have declined this foolish idea.
Sir then I believe you should not be a Red Sox fan IMHO.
Buckner was a great baseball player who should not have even been in there for that play.
McNamara should have the lion's share of you bad feelings followed WAY behind by Bob Stanley who never broke to 1st and never would have recorded the out if Buckner had caught the ball.
If they don't have Buckner that year I doubt they even make it to the World Series.
Please tell me you're not one of those fools who yells "Yankees Suck" all the time. >>
Whoever you might be, I think the majority of Sox fans feel the EXACT same way as I do. And YOU Sir should re-read my post before you talk foolishly about how I should not be a Red Sox fan if I feel this way about Bucks- I clearly stated he is not 100% to blame, but I dont know what to tell you if you dont think Buckner should have fielded that ball-Maybe you are not a "True" Sox fan if you feel otherwise. And if you were around more and checked out my Red Sox threads from '06, '07 and '08 you would see that I respect the Yankees and dont "Bash" them like a mindless fool.
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Hey Perk....if Buckner was on a 52 bowman large....would you feel any different?
Thats not fair Ryan!
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Hey Perk....if Buckner was on a 52 bowman large....would you feel any different?
Thats not fair Ryan! >>
All I know is that a REAL fan of 52 Bowman large would love the card...no matter who is on it
Oh and the Yankees do suckl! C'mon, I'm a tribe fan..had to throw that in!
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Hey Perk....if Buckner was on a 52 bowman large....would you feel any different?
Thats not fair Ryan! >>
All I know is that a REAL fan of 52 Bowman large would love the card...no matter who is on it
Had it not been for that play Buckner would've been just outside of the HOF voting. Look at his stats. It's great that most can move on.
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<< <i>A terrific ballplayer. >>
No question about it (stat-wise).
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-East coast baseball is like a religion. Here on the west coast, if he was playing for the Dodgers, sure it'd be a mistake, but if you're playing for a team like the red sox, yankees, cubs, those teams are steeped in so much lore, and emotions are so deep, its like playing another game, everything is under a 100x microscope.
-Curse of the Bambino obviously.
-Another theory....I think people look for easy targets. Like Bartman, Buckner is an easy mark. The mob going after the weakling?
<< <i>Why does everyone forget that the game was tied when the ball went through his legs? Stanley had just thrown a wild pitch (that should have been a passed ball on Gedman) that Kevin Mitchell scored on to tie the game. Even if Buckner makes the play, the Red Sox go to the 13th inning having just blown a 2 run lead with the WS on the line. Buckner has ALWAYS got way too much blame for that. I am glad he is able to come back to Fenway. >>
Ummm... yeah... I offer another perspective... Lets say Buckner makes the play for the third out. Now it's top of the 11th (not 13th like your above post) tie game 5-5, and the Sox have Rice (.389 this post season) Evans (.278 this post season) and Henderson (.444 this post season) to bat.
Outlook = good.
I know it's not worth debating "if" they'd get another run... I realize that... but it should've been an easy play with a chance to "easily" move ahead in the top of the 11th.
This Red Sox fan DOES fault Buckner for not making the play, but 100% of the blame is NOT on him.
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Not even going there Barry! Thanks anyways my friend
Seems a little harsh. He made an error in a baseball game. I'm sure he and his family have suffered enough. I'm glad they're giving him the respect he deserves.
<< <i>I think its ridiculas that they had him throw out the first pitch. I harbor a lot of bad feelings towards him and NEVER want him in Fenway again, I dont wish anything bad on him as far as him being a man or anything but the bottom line he was involved in one of the most embarrasing plays in the history of the Boston Red Sox. And yes I realize he is not 100% to blame but he is more to blame than not.
Seems a little harsh. He made an error in a baseball game. I'm sure he and his family have suffered enough. I'm glad they're giving him the respect he deserves. >>
Like I said, I dont wish any bad on him and I truly wish him well- believe me I know it wasnt 100% his fault- ( the series loss ) but as a 15 year old kid who got his heart ripped out and stomped on its hard to forget..
Between this thread and the action it got in my Sox thread Im starting to feel bad!
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<< <i>Why does everyone forget that the game was tied when the ball went through his legs? Stanley had just thrown a wild pitch (that should have been a passed ball on Gedman) that Kevin Mitchell scored on to tie the game. Even if Buckner makes the play, the Red Sox go to the 13th inning having just blown a 2 run lead with the WS on the line. Buckner has ALWAYS got way too much blame for that. I am glad he is able to come back to Fenway. >>
Ummm... yeah... I offer another perspective... Lets say Buckner makes the play for the third out. Now it's top of the 11th (not 13th like your above post) tie game 5-5, and the Sox have Rice (.389 this post season) Evans (.278 this post season) and Henderson (.444 this post season) to bat.
Outlook = good.
I know it's not worth debating "if" they'd get another run... I realize that... but it should've been an easy play with a chance to "easily" move ahead in the top of the 11th.
This Red Sox fan DOES fault Buckner for not making the play, but 100% of the blame is NOT on him. >>
Come on Alan, who comes on and pitches the bottom of the 11th (you're right - it was the 11th - obviously I know a little bit about what I'm talking about here as I remember who scored the run, the pitcher, batter etc - forgive my mistake on the inning)? They had already used Clemens, Schiraldi and Stanley. Hurst pitched a CG in game 5 so he's unavailable. You mean to tell me Oil Can (crushed in game 3), Al Nipper (beaten up in game 4), Steve Crawford or Joe Sambito were guaranteed to shut down that lineup? Come on. Out of curiosity, how old were you during that game?
My point is - I don't feel like if they get out of the inning tied that their chances are any better than 50/50 at best - considering they're on the road with a fired up Shea Stadium and a rejuvenated Mets team to deal with. Also, they had a 3 run lead into the 6th in game 7 if I recall correctly. It's not like Buckner was the one thing that prevented them from winning the Series. Anyone who thinks that is just an idiot - not saying you said that Alan, but that's for everyone else's reference.
Do I think he should have capitalized on signing balls with Mookie Wilson etc...not really, but the guy was forced to live in purgatory (Idaho) for years because all he was getting were reminders of his biggest gaffe in a Hall of Very Good career everywhere he went. I cut the guy a little slack there.
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<< <i>Come on Allen, who comes on and pitches the bottom of the 11th (you're right - it was the 11th - obviously I know a little bit about what I'm talking about here as I remember who scored the run, the pitcher, batter etc - forgive my mistake on the inning)? They had already used Clemens, Schiraldi and Stanley. Hurst pitched a CG in game 5 so he's unavailable. You mean to tell me Oil Can (crushed in game 3), Al Nipper (beaten up in game 4), Steve Crawford or Joe Sambito were guaranteed to shut down that lineup? Come on. Out of curiosity, how old were you during that game?
My point is - I don't feel like if they get out of the inning tied that their chances are any better than 50/50 at best - considering they're on the road with a fired up Shea Stadium and a rejuvenated Mets team to deal with. Also, they had a 3 run lead into the 6th in game 7 if I recall correctly. It's not like Buckner was the one thing that prevented them from winning the Series. Anyone who thinks that is just an idiot - not saying you said that Allen, but that's for everyone else's reference.
Do I think he should have capitalized on signing balls with Mookie Wilson etc...not really, but the guy was forced to live in purgatory (Idaho) for years because all he was getting were reminders of his biggest gaffe in a Hall of Very Good career everywhere he went. I cut the guy a little slack there. >>
It'a Alan. Allen is the other guy
Guaranteed to shut down that (beat-up) lineup? No.. absolutely not.. but... a good chance? Sure...
I was 7, but I remember it like it was yesterday. I was a HUGE Sox fan back then.
This is why I said, "I know it's not worth debating "if" they'd get another run... "
And I agree... he should be cut a little slack.. as I've previously said, I've forgiven, but not forgotten.
IMO, throwing out a first pitch at the Fens afer a WS win is an HONOR.... an honor he should not have been given access to.
I think its really funny that in todays age, on nearly every thread about some THUG (ie - Travis Henry, Mike Vick, Chris Henry, Pacman Jones, etc. etc.) there seems to be a handful of people that say, "Well hopefully he turns his life around...I wish him the best." Those THUGS are the guys that deserve to be hated. Not a guy that made an UNINTENTIONAL error. Was it an error that began the downhill slide of that series? YES. But people forget that before that error, in the bottom of the 10th, with a two-run lead and two outs, Schiraldi had to give up THREE STRAIGHT clean singles, then Stanley threw a wild pitch. Aren't they just as much to blame for putting the Sox in the predicament in the first place? Like I said, you lose as a TEAM. Bucky didn't lose that game, the Sox did. {insert T.O. "that's really unfair" speech
Everyone's free to feel how they want about it, I just seem to disagree with most Sox fans.
I guarantee if the roles were reversed in today's age and Youk or Papi makes that error, alls forgiven automatically.
PS....GOT SPARKS..that photo pains me! Every time I see it , it brings on a PTSD attack!
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<< <i>As a lifelong Red Sox fan I gotta say I've never had any ill-will towards Bucky. I just chalked it up to the curse. I do agree that if the Sox didn't have him that year, they never make the WS. A lot of people forget that the Sox had to go on to blow the next game as well. Another thing is that a team ALWAYS loses as a team. It was an UNINTENTIONAL error. The guy made a mistake...one mistake during a decent season (18 HRs, 102 RBIs).
I think its really funny that in todays age, on nearly every thread about some THUG (ie - Travis Henry, Mike Vick, Chris Henry, Pacman Jones, etc. etc.) there seems to be a handful of people that say, "Well hopefully he turns his life around...I wish him the best." Those THUGS are the guys that deserve to be hated. Not a guy that made an UNINTENTIONAL error. Was it an error that began the downhill slide of that series? YES. But people forget that before that error, in the bottom of the 10th, with a two-run lead and two outs, Schiraldi had to give up THREE STRAIGHT clean singles, then Stanley threw a wild pitch. Aren't they just as much to blame for putting the Sox in the predicament in the first place? Like I said, you lose as a TEAM. Bucky didn't lose that game, the Sox did. {insert T.O. "that's really unfair" speech
Everyone's free to feel how they want about it, I just seem to disagree with most Sox fans.
I guarantee if the roles were reversed in today's age and Youk or Papi makes that error, alls forgiven automatically. >>
That's well said, and my favorite post about anything in quite a while.
<< <i> While I don't blame him for the series collapse, I'd never let him throw out the first pitch. Selling his autograph on the pictures of the error - capitalizing on the error - is the bigger of the gaffes, and is much more unforgivable than any error. Heck, people loved Johnny Pesky and his was as bad. >>
I gotta disagree with this. To be honest, it just shows how much of a man he really is. I doubt he'll EVER fully forgive himself for making that error. He'll have to live with that for the rest of his life. The only statement he's making by signing those photos is the that he realizes it was a monumental moment in sports history (one that MANY sports fans want some kind of memento from). It's not like he's taking it as a joke and writing "Whoopsie!" next to his signature.
Would I sign it if I were him? Probably not...I'd probably be too damn embarrassed to do so. But he's obviously man enough to look past it at least enough to sign those pics that he knows will make fans (not just those of the Yankees) happy.
Also, in his interview he shows a TON of class when he says he had to forgive the media, but not the fans. That is the epitome of class in my book. He could've pulled a Vick, threw the finger, and stomped off. As a Sox fan, I hate to have to be the one to say it, but someone has to.
This was matter of healing old wounds today.
<< <i>PS....GOT SPARKS..that photo pains me! Every time I see it , it brings on a PTSD attack! >>
'Dem Boys kicked our butts enough since then to MORE than make up for it
his due. Sox aren't even in that series without him. Its funny that Bonds cost his team a ring by falling on his wallet in the outfield
during game 6, but no one talks about it. The pain of going what 400 years without a ring really but a burr in Sox fan's saddle!
On a side not, Mitch Williams will be throwing out the first pitch in Philly, when **** freezes over on free battery day.
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#1 had Stapleton (who should have been in the game) or Buckner fielded the ball the game would have moved to the 11th inning with the Red Sox having Bob Stanley (series era 0.00) on the mound. I am not certain who the Mets would have brought in but they had already used Orosco, Mcdowell and Aguilera. It might have been Doug Sisk on the mound who had pitched 2/3rds of an inning in the series.
#2 The error by Buckner makes everybody forget the fact that he had probably the worst world series in history for a #3 hitter. He ENDED 15 innings in 7 games. I cannot remember the exact number of baserunners he left on base but for those of us who suffered watching him bat against Jesse Orosco with the bases loaded in game 6 with Don Baylor holding a bat ready to pinch hit it might has well have been a hundred. Over-all he hit .188 with no extra base hits and 1 run batted in.
#3 Given the fact Buckner could barely walk and swung at the first pitch in every at bat there is no way he should have been near the field in game six. Players reported that McNamara was prepared to pinch hit Baylor against Orosco but Buckner talked him out of it.
<< <i>#3 Given the fact Buckner could barely walk and swung at the first pitch in every at bat there is no way he should have been near the field in game six. Players reported that McNamara was prepared to pinch hit Baylor against Orosco but Buckner talked him out of it. >>
Yep -
And Pedro talked Grady Little into keeping him in to pitch in the final 2003 ALCS game...and everyone blamed Grady Little...not Pedro.
Funny how the world works sometimes.
One of which that he was almost always pulled at the end of games because of his poor glove. However, he wanted to be on the field when they clinched or something like that. Guess we won't be seeing Big Papi out in the field anytime soon.