So whats to stop them from sending tons of those things over here and selling them from a U.S. location. If they were to buy a roll of common date BU Morgans, slab them all as ms63 with the same valid cert number how long would it take for someone to get on to them? It seems that they might spend most of their time keeping one step ahead of their pursuit.
Comparing the 1858-O half slab with the 1800 dollar slab, I noticed that they both appear to have the same bar code.
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So one could go to a show with a puter and a scanning pen and if you are curious about a coin scan it and see what it says in a database. I guess PCGS could set something like this up at major shows and/or authorize select dealers to do the same. It would be really helpful if the database had pix. Or one could just buy coins in other holders or get them raw and submit to PCGS.
<< <i>So one could go to a show with a puter and a scanning pen and if you are curious about a coin scan it and see what it says in a database. I guess PCGS could set something like this up at major shows and/or authorize select dealers to do the same. It would be really helpful if the database had pix. Or one could just buy coins in other holders or get them raw and submit to PCGS. >>
They have scanning software for PDA's, it would not be hard to upload PCGS's small data base and compare.
I don't know that I've seen any fake slabs myself, but some of the pictures I've seen posted of these appear to have particular differences in the shape of the plastic. Certain corners on the supposed fakes do not appear to be the same as those on true PCGS slabs. Does anyone else see what I'm seeing on corners in the label area?
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You fellas pointing out to slight variation of the fake slab pictures here.....Do you think you will be able to spot a well made fake slab in the hustle and bustle of a coin show?
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The labels don't say "COIN" AND "SERIES". Don't all PCGS labels show that ?
Maybe PCGS could goto a magnetic strip, like on the back of a credit card, instead of the bar code. The strip could contain "secret" information that only PCGS knows about. So the owner of the real slab would be protected too.
The labels don't say "COIN" AND "SERIES". Don't all PCGS labels show that ?
No, it varies, even with the old labels. Many of the new labels do not say "Coin" and "Series".
Somebody mentioned the barcode earlier, and that may be a good diagnostic. I have a handheld device which scans pretty fast, so I may actually take it to the next show that I go to!
There are versions of PCGS slab labels where the barcode is on the reverse.
I have one other diagnostic that I've noticed for quite some time. On most slab labels that I've seen, there is a "shadow disc". The way that the hologram is positioned/affixed on the reverse, it shows a distinctive circular shadow on the front label.
Actually, the wide variety of slabs and labels that PCGS has used over the years may be our biggest help in the short term. There are several threads on this forum that document all of the styles used so far.
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Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>So one could go to a show with a puter and a scanning pen and if you are curious about a coin scan it and see what it says in a database. I guess PCGS could set something like this up at major shows and/or authorize select dealers to do the same. It would be really helpful if the database had pix. Or one could just buy coins in other holders or get them raw and submit to PCGS. >>
They have scanning software for PDA's, it would not be hard to upload PCGS's small data base and compare.
"Money does not care about speeches on morality. Capital asks whether the rules will remain the same tomorrow. With inflation, people assume price is the problem, and propose regulation—but price is simply the message." - Martin Armstrong
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Don't all PCGS labels show that ?
Maybe PCGS could goto a magnetic strip, like on the back
of a credit card, instead of the bar code. The strip could
contain "secret" information that only PCGS knows about.
So the owner of the real slab would be protected too.
Don't all PCGS labels show that ?
No, it varies, even with the old labels. Many of the new labels do not say "Coin" and "Series".
Somebody mentioned the barcode earlier, and that may be a good diagnostic. I have a handheld device which scans pretty fast, so I may actually take it to the next show that I go to!
There are versions of PCGS slab labels where the barcode is on the reverse.
I have one other diagnostic that I've noticed for quite some time. On most slab labels that I've seen, there is a "shadow disc". The way that the hologram is positioned/affixed on the reverse, it shows a distinctive circular shadow on the front label.
Actually, the wide variety of slabs and labels that PCGS has used over the years may be our biggest help in the short term. There are several threads on this forum that document all of the styles used so far.
good question..if true,why the need for a fake slab?