A couple of '48 Leaf FB pickups - Grade Poppage (Bowman, too)

otwcards · March 1, 2008 8:47AM

Nice day in Reading, PA today. Found a couple of nice 1948 Leafs to add to my next submission to get my Registry Set started. The Fritsch is funny in that it is a little short side to side and a little long top to bottom, but otherwise, the cuts and edges are consistent with the norm. The Justice is my "finger crosser" and I needed the Fischer variation, even though it is OC, as I dont see it come up too often. I'm figuring (hoping) that the Fritsch is a PSA 6 with an outside shot at a 7 and the Justice is a PSA 7 with an outside shot at an 8 (that would be sweet). I have no clue where the Fischer will end up. Could be a straight PSA 4 with the centering or maybe a 5, or else a PSA 7 (OC). I've got 39 now ready to go in my next sub.

Anyone looking to swap/sell? I'm looking for well centered in VG-EX to EX condition although I'm setting my sights on VG to VG-EX for the keys at this time.

*** Editted to change title for grade pop.

JasP24 · March 1, 2008 9:16AM

That Justice is gorgeous..

As I'm sure you already know, but just to clue others in...There is no set size to the 48 Leaf...I've owned 48 Leafs that were over 1/8 of an inch difference..Doesn't sound like much, but that's quite a bit for cards in any given year...

Jason

otwcards · March 1, 2008 9:38AM

Thanks Jason.

The Justice had some sort of residue smeared on the front to the left of his face (looked like a light layer of glue or something). The seller said he was ticked because he sent it in and it came back a PSA 3 and he cracked it out just before the show. Whatever it was was waterbased as it came off with the lightest touch of a damp cloth with no damage. It may end up being the best $25.00 I've spent in awhile.

What would be your thoughts on the grade on the Fischer. It has solid NM corners. Is it too OC in your opinion for a straight 5? I'm guessing it should be a no brainer PSA 4, but I guess we'll see.

And I agree with the size variance on the issue. I've always been more concerned with cut and edge characteristics on vintage than I have been with size. Had a run of '71 vending that all ran small. Had almost all rejected and then had a sit down with Rocchi and they agreed to holder them after I showed them the rest of the vending box. A lot of the late 50's Topps FB has the same problem with some huge size variances. So, it definitely helps if you know what to look for in the cutting characteristics of old cards and don't always rely on the ruler.

otwcards · March 27, 2008 8:00AM

Got the grades posted today. Was a little disappointed with the Justice as it came back a PSA 6. I think they hit it a little too hard as there was a tiny bit of corner wear (typical of the issue) on the lower right corner. The Fritsch was a PSA 6 as expected. The Fischer was a nice surprise as a PSA 5. I'm still quite happy with the group and can't wait to see what the other lot grades out at. Unfortunately, the rest of my Leaf subs are predominantly in the VG to VG-EX range with only a few EX and EX-MT. Well, it's time to start up the Registry Set for this one.

Had a nice lot of over 150 '49 Bowman Baseball and '50 Bowman Football pop, too. Those subs were outstanding (almost all PSA 8's and PSA7's with a few PSA 6's mixed in).

The most amazing thing about these subs . . . not one single half grade! NOT ONE!

perkdog · March 27, 2008 8:08AM

Are you going to be selling any of the 50 Football?

otwcards · March 27, 2008 8:36AM

<< <i>Are you going to be selling any of the 50 Football? >>

At the immediate moment, I'm going to be holding onto both of the Bowman runs.

otwcards · March 27, 2008 8:48AM

Here's the grades from the Bowman runs:

NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 233 LARRY DOBY
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 226 EDWIN SNIDER
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 214 RICHIE ASHBURN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 209 CHARLIE KELLER
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 162 ELWIN PREACHER ROE
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 110 EARLY WYNN
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 98 PHIL RIZZUTO NO NAME ON FRONT
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 98 PHIL RIZZUTO NO NAME ON FRONT
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 84 ROY CAMPANELLA
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 36 PEE WEE REESE
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 27 BOB FELLER
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 27 BOB FELLER
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 27 BOB FELLER
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 24 STAN MUSIAL
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 112 SAM CHAPMAN
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 113 RAY LAMANNO
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 113 RAY LAMANNO
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 114 ALLIE REYNOLDS
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 114 ALLIE REYNOLDS
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 115 EMIL DUTCH LEONARD
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 115 EMIL DUTCH LEONARD
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 116 JOE HATTEN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 118 SAM MELE
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 118 SAM MELE
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 118 SAM MELE
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 119 FLOYD BAKER
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 119 FLOYD BAKER
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 120 CLIFF FANNIN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 120 CLIFF FANNIN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 121 MARK CHRISTMAN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 121 MARK CHRISTMAN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 122 GEORGE VICO
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 122 GEORGE VICO
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 123 JOHNNY BLATNICK
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 123 JOHNNY BLATNICK
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 124 DANNY MURTAUGH SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 124 DANNY MURTAUGH SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 125 KEN KELTNER
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 125 KEN KELTNER
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 125 KEN KELTNER
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 126 AL BRAZLE SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 126 AL BRAZLE SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 126 AL BRAZLE SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 127 HENRY MAJESKI SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 127 HENRY MAJESKI SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 128 JOHNNY VANDER MEER
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 128 JOHNNY VANDER MEER
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 OC 1949 BOWMAN 120 CLIFF FANNIN
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 231 EARL JOHNSON
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 229 ED LOPAT
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 228 JACKIE MAYO
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 221 BOB MUNCRIEF
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 206 BRUCE EDWARDS
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 205 DICK SISLER
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 201 SIBBY SISTI
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 199 CECIL HUGHSON
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 186 JOHN KERR
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 185 PETE REISER
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 148 BOB SWIFT
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 143 BOB DILLINGER PRINTED NAME
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 142 EDDIE WAITKUS
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 141 ULYSSES LUPIEN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 140 RAE SCARBOROUGH
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 139 HANK ARFT
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 138 WARREN ROSAR
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 136 HENRY EDWARDS
EXCELLENT 5 1949 BOWMAN 136 HENRY EDWARDS
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 135 STAN ROJEK
VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1949 BOWMAN 134 HANK BOROWY
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 134 HANK BOROWY
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 132 AL EVANS SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 132 AL EVANS SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 132 AL EVANS PRINTED NAME
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 131 PAUL LEHNER
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 130 HARRY WALKER
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 129 BILL JOHNSON
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 129 BILL JOHNSON
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 129 BILL JOHNSON
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 129 BILL JOHNSON
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 78 SAM ZOLDAK NO NAME ON FRONT
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 78 SAM ZOLDAK NAME ON FRONT
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 79 RON NORTHEY
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 80 BILL McCAHAN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 81 VIRGIL STALLCUP
EXCELLENT 5 1949 BOWMAN 82 JOE PAGE
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 83 BOB SCHEFFING NO NAME ON FRONT
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 85 SEE VARIETIES
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 85 SEE VARIETIES
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 86 JOHNNY PESKY
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 86 JOHNNY PESKY
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 87 RANDY GUMPERT
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 88 BILL SALKELD NO NAME ON FRONT
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 88 BILL SALKELD NO NAME ON FRONT
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 88 BILL SALKELD NO NAME ON FRONT
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 89 WHITIE PLATT
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 93 ED STEVENS
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 94 MICKEY VERNON
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 94 MICKEY VERNON
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 95 HOWIE POLLETT
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 99 FRANK GUSTINE
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 102 STAN SPENCE
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 104 ED STANKY
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 104 ED STANKY
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 105 BILL KENNEDY
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 105 BILL KENNEDY
EXCELLENT 5 1949 BOWMAN 108 KEN HEINTZELMAN
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 108 KEN HEINTZELMAN
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 109 ED FITZGERALD SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 109 ED FITZGERALD SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 109 ED FITZGERALD SCRIPT NAME
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 110 EARLY WYNN
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 110 EARLY WYNN
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 111 RED SCHOENDIENST
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 2 WHITEY LOCKMAN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 5 HANK SAUER
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 6 PHIL CAVARRETTA
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 9 FERRIS FAIN
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 10 TED GRAY
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 10 TED GRAY
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 11 LOU BOUDREAU
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 12 CASS MICHAELS
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 12 CASS MICHAELS
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 12 CASS MICHAELS
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 15 NED GARVER
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 18 BOBBY THOMSON
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 20 GENE HERMANSKI
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 21 FRANK BAUMHOLTZ
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 23 BOBBY DOERR
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 25 CARL SCHEIB
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 26 GEORGE KELL
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 30 ANDY SEMINICK
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 30 ANDY SEMINICK
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 31 DICK KOKOS
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 31 DICK KOKOS
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 32 EDDIE YOST
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 32 EDDIE YOST
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 35 VIC RASCHI
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 66 ELMER VALO
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 69 TOMMY HENRICH
EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 70 CARL FURILLO
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 75 EDDIE MAYO
NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 76 BILL NICHOLSON
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 76 BILL NICHOLSON
NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 13 MARTIN RUBY
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 31 GEORGE THOMAS
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 32 RAY POOLE
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 33 TRAVIS TIDWELL
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 36 FRANKIE ALBERT
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 38 LEON HART
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 39 BOB HOERNSCHEMEYER
NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 44 JIM MARTIN
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 64 BOB GOODE
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 66 HARRY GILMER
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 68 JOE SCOTT
NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 71 EMIL SITKO
NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 71 EMIL SITKO
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 72 BILL JOHNSON
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 76 BILL LEONARD
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 79 TONY ADAMLE
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 81 TOBIN ROTE
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 85 FRED NAUMETZ
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 85 FRED NAUMETZ
NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 87 BOB REINHARD
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 88 HOWARD HARTLEY
NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 108 VERL LILLYWHITE
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 124 JACK ZILLY
NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 126 FRANK SINKOVITZ
NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 131 VENTAN YABLONSKI
NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 131 VENTAN YABLONSKI
NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 135 WASHINGTON SERINI
NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 136 GEORGE GULYANICS
NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 142 WILLIAM SWIACKI

Hoping to have some fun in White Plains this weekend looking for more '48 Leafs! Anyone else heading to the show? I'll probably just go on Friday.

packCollector · March 27, 2008 11:18AM

wow, incredible group of bowmans!!! what ar you doing with all of them, not everyday you see someone with 3-4 copies of 60 year old card that all grade 8

A couple of '48 Leaf FB pickups - Grade Poppage (Bowman, too)

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