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A couple of '48 Leaf FB pickups - Grade Poppage (Bowman, too)

otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
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Nice day in Reading, PA today. Found a couple of nice 1948 Leafs to add to my next submission to get my Registry Set started. The Fritsch is funny in that it is a little short side to side and a little long top to bottom, but otherwise, the cuts and edges are consistent with the norm. The Justice is my "finger crosser" and I needed the Fischer variation, even though it is OC, as I dont see it come up too often. I'm figuring (hoping) that the Fritsch is a PSA 6 with an outside shot at a 7 and the Justice is a PSA 7 with an outside shot at an 8 (that would be sweet). I have no clue where the Fischer will end up. Could be a straight PSA 4 with the centering or maybe a 5, or else a PSA 7 (OC). I've got 39 now ready to go in my next sub.

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Anyone looking to swap/sell? I'm looking for well centered in VG-EX to EX condition although I'm setting my sights on VG to VG-EX for the keys at this time.

*** Editted to change title for grade pop.

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  • JasP24JasP24 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭
    That Justice is gorgeous..

    As I'm sure you already know, but just to clue others in...There is no set size to the 48 Leaf...I've owned 48 Leafs that were over 1/8 of an inch difference..Doesn't sound like much, but that's quite a bit for cards in any given year...

    Jason
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    according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Jason.

    The Justice had some sort of residue smeared on the front to the left of his face (looked like a light layer of glue or something). The seller said he was ticked because he sent it in and it came back a PSA 3 and he cracked it out just before the show. Whatever it was was waterbased as it came off with the lightest touch of a damp cloth with no damage. It may end up being the best $25.00 I've spent in awhile.

    What would be your thoughts on the grade on the Fischer. It has solid NM corners. Is it too OC in your opinion for a straight 5? I'm guessing it should be a no brainer PSA 4, but I guess we'll see.

    And I agree with the size variance on the issue. I've always been more concerned with cut and edge characteristics on vintage than I have been with size. Had a run of '71 vending that all ran small. Had almost all rejected and then had a sit down with Rocchi and they agreed to holder them after I showed them the rest of the vending box. A lot of the late 50's Topps FB has the same problem with some huge size variances. So, it definitely helps if you know what to look for in the cutting characteristics of old cards and don't always rely on the ruler.

  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Got the grades posted today. Was a little disappointed with the Justice as it came back a PSA 6. I think they hit it a little too hard as there was a tiny bit of corner wear (typical of the issue) on the lower right corner. The Fritsch was a PSA 6 as expected. The Fischer was a nice surprise as a PSA 5. I'm still quite happy with the group and can't wait to see what the other lot grades out at. Unfortunately, the rest of my Leaf subs are predominantly in the VG to VG-EX range with only a few EX and EX-MT. Well, it's time to start up the Registry Set for this one.

    Had a nice lot of over 150 '49 Bowman Baseball and '50 Bowman Football pop, too. Those subs were outstanding (almost all PSA 8's and PSA7's with a few PSA 6's mixed in).

    The most amazing thing about these subs . . . not one single half grade! NOT ONE!
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are you going to be selling any of the 50 Football?
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Are you going to be selling any of the 50 Football? >>



    At the immediate moment, I'm going to be holding onto both of the Bowman runs.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Here's the grades from the Bowman runs:

    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 233 LARRY DOBY
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 226 EDWIN SNIDER
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 214 RICHIE ASHBURN
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 209 CHARLIE KELLER
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 162 ELWIN PREACHER ROE
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 110 EARLY WYNN
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 98 PHIL RIZZUTO NO NAME ON FRONT
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 98 PHIL RIZZUTO NO NAME ON FRONT
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 84 ROY CAMPANELLA
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 36 PEE WEE REESE
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 27 BOB FELLER
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 27 BOB FELLER
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 27 BOB FELLER
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 24 STAN MUSIAL
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 112 SAM CHAPMAN
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 113 RAY LAMANNO
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 113 RAY LAMANNO
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 114 ALLIE REYNOLDS
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 114 ALLIE REYNOLDS
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 115 EMIL DUTCH LEONARD
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 115 EMIL DUTCH LEONARD
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 116 JOE HATTEN
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 118 SAM MELE
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 118 SAM MELE
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 118 SAM MELE
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 119 FLOYD BAKER
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 119 FLOYD BAKER
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 120 CLIFF FANNIN
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 120 CLIFF FANNIN
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 121 MARK CHRISTMAN
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 121 MARK CHRISTMAN
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 122 GEORGE VICO
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 122 GEORGE VICO
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 123 JOHNNY BLATNICK
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 123 JOHNNY BLATNICK
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 124 DANNY MURTAUGH SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 124 DANNY MURTAUGH SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 125 KEN KELTNER
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 125 KEN KELTNER
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 125 KEN KELTNER
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 126 AL BRAZLE SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 126 AL BRAZLE SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 126 AL BRAZLE SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 127 HENRY MAJESKI SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 127 HENRY MAJESKI SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 128 JOHNNY VANDER MEER
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 128 JOHNNY VANDER MEER
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 OC 1949 BOWMAN 120 CLIFF FANNIN
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 231 EARL JOHNSON
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 229 ED LOPAT
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 228 JACKIE MAYO
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 221 BOB MUNCRIEF
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 206 BRUCE EDWARDS
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 205 DICK SISLER
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 201 SIBBY SISTI
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 199 CECIL HUGHSON
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 186 JOHN KERR
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 185 PETE REISER
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 148 BOB SWIFT
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 143 BOB DILLINGER PRINTED NAME
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 142 EDDIE WAITKUS
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 141 ULYSSES LUPIEN
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 140 RAE SCARBOROUGH
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 139 HANK ARFT
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 138 WARREN ROSAR
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 136 HENRY EDWARDS
    EXCELLENT 5 1949 BOWMAN 136 HENRY EDWARDS
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 135 STAN ROJEK
    VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1949 BOWMAN 134 HANK BOROWY
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 134 HANK BOROWY
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 132 AL EVANS SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 132 AL EVANS SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 132 AL EVANS PRINTED NAME
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 131 PAUL LEHNER
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 130 HARRY WALKER
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 129 BILL JOHNSON
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 129 BILL JOHNSON
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 129 BILL JOHNSON
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 129 BILL JOHNSON
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 78 SAM ZOLDAK NO NAME ON FRONT
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 78 SAM ZOLDAK NAME ON FRONT
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 79 RON NORTHEY
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 80 BILL McCAHAN
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 81 VIRGIL STALLCUP
    EXCELLENT 5 1949 BOWMAN 82 JOE PAGE
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 83 BOB SCHEFFING NO NAME ON FRONT
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 85 SEE VARIETIES
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 85 SEE VARIETIES
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 86 JOHNNY PESKY
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 86 JOHNNY PESKY
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 87 RANDY GUMPERT
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 88 BILL SALKELD NO NAME ON FRONT
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 88 BILL SALKELD NO NAME ON FRONT
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 88 BILL SALKELD NO NAME ON FRONT
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 89 WHITIE PLATT
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 93 ED STEVENS
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 94 MICKEY VERNON
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 94 MICKEY VERNON
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 95 HOWIE POLLETT
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 99 FRANK GUSTINE
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 102 STAN SPENCE
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 104 ED STANKY
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 104 ED STANKY
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 105 BILL KENNEDY
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 105 BILL KENNEDY
    EXCELLENT 5 1949 BOWMAN 108 KEN HEINTZELMAN
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 108 KEN HEINTZELMAN
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 109 ED FITZGERALD SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 109 ED FITZGERALD SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 109 ED FITZGERALD SCRIPT NAME
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 110 EARLY WYNN
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 110 EARLY WYNN
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 111 RED SCHOENDIENST
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 2 WHITEY LOCKMAN
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 5 HANK SAUER
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 6 PHIL CAVARRETTA
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 9 FERRIS FAIN
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 10 TED GRAY
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 10 TED GRAY
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 11 LOU BOUDREAU
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 12 CASS MICHAELS
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 12 CASS MICHAELS
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 12 CASS MICHAELS
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 15 NED GARVER
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 18 BOBBY THOMSON
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 20 GENE HERMANSKI
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 21 FRANK BAUMHOLTZ
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 23 BOBBY DOERR
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 25 CARL SCHEIB
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 26 GEORGE KELL
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 30 ANDY SEMINICK
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 30 ANDY SEMINICK
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 31 DICK KOKOS
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 31 DICK KOKOS
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 32 EDDIE YOST
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 32 EDDIE YOST
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 35 VIC RASCHI
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 66 ELMER VALO
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 69 TOMMY HENRICH
    EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1949 BOWMAN 70 CARL FURILLO
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 75 EDDIE MAYO
    NEAR MINT 7 1949 BOWMAN 76 BILL NICHOLSON
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1949 BOWMAN 76 BILL NICHOLSON
    NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 13 MARTIN RUBY
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 31 GEORGE THOMAS
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 32 RAY POOLE
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 33 TRAVIS TIDWELL
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 36 FRANKIE ALBERT
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 38 LEON HART
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 39 BOB HOERNSCHEMEYER
    NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 44 JIM MARTIN
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 64 BOB GOODE
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 66 HARRY GILMER
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 68 JOE SCOTT
    NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 71 EMIL SITKO
    NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 71 EMIL SITKO
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 72 BILL JOHNSON
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 76 BILL LEONARD
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 79 TONY ADAMLE
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 81 TOBIN ROTE
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 85 FRED NAUMETZ
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 85 FRED NAUMETZ
    NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 87 BOB REINHARD
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 88 HOWARD HARTLEY
    NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 108 VERL LILLYWHITE
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 124 JACK ZILLY
    NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 126 FRANK SINKOVITZ
    NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 131 VENTAN YABLONSKI
    NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 131 VENTAN YABLONSKI
    NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 135 WASHINGTON SERINI
    NEAR MINT 7 1950 BOWMAN 136 GEORGE GULYANICS
    NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1950 BOWMAN 142 WILLIAM SWIACKI

    Hoping to have some fun in White Plains this weekend looking for more '48 Leafs! Anyone else heading to the show? I'll probably just go on Friday.


  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    wow, incredible group of bowmans!!! what ar you doing with all of them, not everyday you see someone with 3-4 copies of 60 year old card that all grade 8
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