1916 SLQ on ebay... Thats alot of money on a raw coin.

ahooka454 · March 11, 2008 9:15AM

1916

IWhat are some of the experts thoughts on this one?

harvey85422458 · March 11, 2008 9:17AM

wow more than I would risk on that coin.

commoncents05 · March 11, 2008 9:18AM

The seller sells many high caliber coins and are sometimes raw.

-Paul

57loaded · March 11, 2008 9:21AM

i'd like to see the shield, too, but it appears to be a FH...at least....even a wee but too nice, if that makes any sense. in know the focal area is miniscule...nice knees as far as MS, too

a lot a dough for a coin, raw, off the internet

dbldie55 · March 11, 2008 9:23AM

It would be crazy to bid that much on a sight unseen coin with no return privilege.

AUandAG · March 11, 2008 9:26AM

Wow, nice coin, but not full head. Not enough detail for that prestigeous designation.
But, who cares as it's still one heck of a nice coin and you can always upgrade later!

bob

kranky · March 11, 2008 9:35AM

Couldn't agree more with dbldie55. Raw, not seen in-hand, 5-figure bidding on a no-return auction!

But it does look FH to me for a 1916.

Let's say for the sake of argument the coin has been wiped, or for some other reason would be bodybagged (but not for something that would be inconsistent with the photos) What would it be worth if it's indeed genuine but won't slab at PCGS or NGC?

veryfine · March 11, 2008 9:38AM

That is one sharply struck 1916. Based on the pictures, it is a no questions full head too.
However, I would only buy a certified coin at this level. But, it does look nice.

direwolf1972 · March 11, 2008 10:05AM

Headed to mortgage the house and sell someone else's kids right now so I can bid on it.

Colquhoun · March 11, 2008 10:08AM

<< Headed to mortgage the house and sell someone else's kids right now so I can bid on it. >>

I'll save you a spot on my sofa, you can crash here when your wife throws you out.

PrivateCoinCollector · March 11, 2008 10:08AM

And why isn't a coin like that in a PCGS slab? Hard to imagine someone has not tried to submit it......

ahooka454 · March 11, 2008 10:11AM

<<Let's say for the sake of argument the coin has been wiped, or for some other reason would be bodybagged (but not for something that would be inconsistent with the photos) What would it be worth if it's indeed genuine but won't slab at PCGS or NGC? >>

What about NCS?

dorkkarl · March 11, 2008 10:11AM

not a nice coin at all, not whatsoever. it's harshly cleaned, clumisily retoned & digi-piced deceptively to hid the buttload of problems.

i hope to he11 1 of his many shills is "winning" this dog turd. this seller disgusts me.

K S

ahooka454 · March 11, 2008 10:15AM

Is this a statement made from personal experiance?

dorkkarl · March 11, 2008 10:16AM

<< Is this a statement made from personal experiance? >>

yes.

K S

vplite · March 11, 2008 10:24AM

<< not a nice coin at all, not whatsoever. it's harshly cleaned, clumisily retoned & digi-piced deceptively to hid the buttload of problems.

i hope to he11 1 of his many shills is "winning" this dog turd. this seller disgusts me.

K S >>

I agree. This auction is dog turtles.

ahooka454 · March 11, 2008 10:26AM

I personally woudnt spend this amount on a raw coin on ebay.

veryfine · March 11, 2008 10:31AM

<< not a nice coin at all, not whatsoever. it's harshly cleaned, clumisily retoned & digi-piced deceptively to hid the buttload of problems.

i hope to he11 1 of his many shills is "winning" this dog turd. this seller disgusts me.

K S >>

Actually, I didn't seriously consider the "digi-piced" possibility. You really think so?
I suppose color and originality are always questionable with raw coins on eBay. I stay away from them.
Despite the possible problems, the strike on this coin appears to be unusually sharp.

drwstr123 · March 11, 2008 10:32AM

I apologize for the seemingly elitist tone, but get a better camera if you're selling big ticket, non-certified items. Mike

clarkbar04 · March 11, 2008 10:34AM

<< I apologize for the seemingly elitist tone, but get a better camera if you're selling big ticket, non-certified items. Mike >>

Or, on the other side of the fence how about not bidding on big ticket raw coins with crappy pics?

Doesn't look unc to me.

ahooka454 · March 11, 2008 10:39AM

With all the talk of a great strike, and no slab, could it be a fake?

291fifth · March 11, 2008 10:41AM

A coin like that has no business still being raw.

veryfine · March 11, 2008 10:50AM

I agree with much of what is said here, but my emotions might be getting the best of me. This issue is notoriouly mushy in details, so when a crisp one shows up, it clouds my perception.
But, a sharply struck coin that is cleaned and digitally doctored in photos brings me down to earth again. A coin like this must be certified!

yellowjacket · March 11, 2008 11:29AM

A fool and his money are soon...

Garrow

editted to add... my 1000th.

DJCoinz · March 11, 2008 11:46AM

stupid money...

Connecticoin · March 11, 2008 11:49AM

<< not a nice coin at all, not whatsoever. it's harshly cleaned, clumisily retoned & digi-piced deceptively to hid the buttload of problems.

i hope to he11 1 of his many shills is "winning" this dog turd. this seller disgusts me.

K S >>

The dorkster is spot-on -- it is a cleaned POS. This is why the seller will only guarantee that it is genuine.

droopyd · March 11, 2008 3:19PM

Lots of his stuff looks cleaned, I was very tempted to pull the trigger on something of his a while back but something just didn't seem quite "right" about it so I pulled back at the last minute.

Edited to add: Plus, no returns equals no sale, at least not to me.

DustyCoinbox · March 11, 2008 3:32PM

His auctions state, "7 day return privilege"

Maybe the " THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE AUCTION, AND ALL SALES ARE CONSIDERED FINAL" means that a sale is a sale, no reserve, buyback etc. Otherwise, the auction is presumed to be with reserve (3) :

_______________________
U.C.C. - ARTICLE 2 - SALES
..PART 3. GENERAL OBLIGATION AND CONSTRUCTION OF CONTRACT
§ 2-328. Sale by Auction.

(1) In a sale by auction if goods are put up in lots each lot is the subject of a separate sale.

(2) A sale by auction is complete when the auctioneer so announces by the fall of the hammer or in other customary manner. Where a bid is made while the hammer is falling in acceptance of a prior bid the auctioneer may in his discretion reopen the bidding or declare the goods sold under the bid on which the hammer was falling.

(3) Such a sale is with reserve unless the goods are in explicit terms put up without reserve. In an auction with reserve the auctioneer may withdraw the goods at any time until he announces completion of the sale. In an auction without reserve, after the auctioneer calls for bids on an article or lot, that article or lot cannot be withdrawn unless no bid is made within a reasonable time. In either case a bidder may retract his bid until the auctioneer's announcement of completion of the sale, but a bidder's retraction does not revive any previous bid.

(4) If the auctioneer . . .

BlindedByEgo · March 11, 2008 3:40PM

Interesting that he seems to be selling this coin which appears to be the same as this one he bought and cracked out of an NCS holder. Not a very ethical Ebay seller.

Broadstruck · March 11, 2008 3:44PM

This is silly at $13K RAW as you can buy a smokin AU58FH in a PCGS holder on Ebay at times for $14,995.00.

This coin has a FH, but looks to me as it has been cleaned and my only be a future NCS UNC or AU Details FH candidate.

His pics through a loupe aren't the best either!

clarkbar04 · March 11, 2008 3:45PM

<< Interesting that he seems to be selling this coin which appears to be the same as this one he bought and cracked out of an NCS holder. Not a very ethical Ebay seller. >>

Yep, that looks like the same coin alright.

BlindedByEgo · March 11, 2008 3:46PM

<< This is silly at $13K RAW as you can buy a smokin AU58FH in a PCGS holder on Ebay at times for $14,995.00.

This coin has a FH, but looks to me as it has been cleaned and my only be a future NCS UNC or AU Details FH candidate.

His pics through a loupe aren't the best either! >>

My guess would be, at least by extrapolating his actions on the 1909 SVDB, is that the coin has already seen the inside of a NCS holder.

There is no Santa Claus in numismatics.

Broadstruck · March 11, 2008 3:55PM

There is no Santa Claus in numismatics.

No Free Lunch either, as when your only less the 15% more away from ordering a nice Fillet Mignon...

why would you opt for Ground Beef

BlindedByEgo · March 11, 2008 3:58PM

<< There is no Santa Claus in numismatics.

No Free Lunch either, as when your only less the 15% more away from ordering a nice Fillet Mignon...

why would you opt for Ground Beef

>>

'Cause smoeone was countink on Kobe ground beef at a chuck price

Broadstruck · March 11, 2008 4:01PM

I think some EBay'Rs are just a gluten for punishment and take joy in getting F'd without being kissed first!

dorkkarl · March 11, 2008 10:54PM

i sooooo wish people would'nt muddy up the issues here. this has NOTHING to do w/ how much is too much for a raw coin, since the value of a coin has nothing to do w/ whether its $labbed or not.

the issue is that this seller is a slimy scumbag snake who intentionally takes misleading digi-pics of coins & dumps em on buyers sight-unseen. now, it is true that people who bid on something sight unseen like this are morons anyway, since it violates the 2nd principle of coin collecting:

DO NOT BUY COINS SIGHT UNSEEN. PERIOD.

but the fact of the matter is that this jerk has purely deceptive listings w/ trick photography & no descriptions of a coins problems.

i wish to he11 someone would break his knees.

K S

LeeBone · March 11, 2008 11:00PM

Look at the "6" in each of the two different photos that show the date. Doesn`t the "6" seem to have different shapes in the bottom "round" part?

Or is it just me?

dorkkarl · March 11, 2008 11:03PM

the coin is genuine. the seller is not.

K S

1916 SLQ on ebay... Thats alot of money on a raw coin.

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