<< <i>So is this why the original op started the thread showing this pattern to start the ball rolling on getting the interest flowing on this coin rather than putting it on the BST? >>
Where is this coming from? I guess once a troll, always a troll. >>
Thank you for the compliment, I am not interested in bidding on this coin, although I am a serious pattern collector, but I thought I would bring up the point about the first thread travel started here and then disappeared. I thought it was quite strange to bring it up last month then disappear, that is all. This troll will go now. >>
You have a valid point, Al.
Now back up under the bridge where you can lie in wait to devour innocent pedestrians.
<< <i>If we go by the numbers that were included in the first thread about the coin we find out that it is a standard diameter cent (1.9cm) that is 0.095 inches (0.2413cm) in height and that it weighs 1.563g. Since a cent can be thought of as a right circular cylinder we may calculate the density of the coin using the formula V=(pi)r(2)h and we obtain the following-
V=(3.1415...)(0.95cm)(0.95cm)(0.2413cm) V=0.6842cm(3) Please note that I realize I am using too many significant figures.
We may then calculate the density-
d=(1.563g)/(0.6842cm(3)) d=2.28g-cm(-3)
This density is lower than that of pure aluminum, which has a density of 2.70g-cm(-3). Therefore, if the data is correct and the piece contains aluminum, there must be an alloy of some type. If, however, the owner of the coin gave values that were in error then this is a moot point. >>
You may be figuring the net thickness wrong, not allowing enough for the rims. TD
Edited to add: I see that others beat me to this point. >>
Whatever that point may be, would having the specifics and history to this coin increase it's value? If so, are we about to see the owner get shortchanged because he doesn't know the specifics and that a second sale awaits around the corner by someone who does have the specifics?
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
<< <i>So is this why the original op started the thread showing this pattern to start the ball rolling on getting the interest flowing on this coin rather than putting it on the BST? >>
I wonder what the most expensive coin ever sold in the BST was.
PNG member, numismatic dealer since 1965. Operates a retail store, also has exhibited at over 1000 shows. I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
I have doubts about the authenticity of this coin as well. I had one of these that PCGS first graded MS64 and then NGC then graded PR65. It was a totally original piece with a dark grey patina. There were a few telltale diecracks on the obverse and reverse that do not match up with anything on this coin being offered by Heritage. If anyone cares to try and find a picture of the coin, I had a photoproof of the coin made by NGC back in 1997. The cert number is 627554-001. Rick Montgomery, then at PCGS had the coin sent to S& N labs in Santa Ana. The composition of the coin came back as 95.9% tin and 4.1% copper. The coin is 2.3mm thick and weighs 3.69 grams.
<< <i>So is this why the original op started the thread showing this pattern to start the ball rolling on getting the interest flowing on this coin rather than putting it on the BST? >>
I wonder what the most expensive coin ever sold in the BST was. >>
Oops guess I should have included and then John you would have known I was joking, but thanks for CORRECTING me, what would I do with out you. Oh yeah almost forgot that is what happens I guess when one turns 50+. >>
<< <i>The description lacks sufficient knowable information to properly attribute and track the coin. Is it pure aluminum, aluminum-silver alloy, stainless steel, burnished electrolytic manganese, aluminum plated coprolite, pewter, or ??? Without weight, diameter, thickness, alloy, etc. what might be a unique piece, or one that is traceable to specific events gets lost in the mass of Judd numbers.
(My interest is also increased in that the standard references on WW-II experimental coinage are incomplete and do not adequately reflect the extent of in-house and external experiments done with both official and �nonsense� dies. Additional research is being done, but to have something that might be entirely different show up at auction, and not know what it really is, is frustrating. Suggests to me that there might be much in �quality� auction catalogs that is bogus and misleading so far as this type of esoteric material goes. � End of editorial.) >>
Hope it's kosher to post on this thread...
Hello RWB, it's my fault. I meant to send Heritage the information, as I gave here but got caught up and never got around to it. Also, I wasn't sure if they'd take my un-expert opinion on it since it wasn't directly stated on the slab. And we don't really know the true composition since no test (as far as I know) were done so "white metal" is probably the best description. It irks me a little also, since I would love to know myself what I've suspected all these years. Is it Al or an Al alloy??
I hope someone does a full test one day but I'm 99% sure it'll come up close to 100% Al.
Besides the little data I was able to collect and give here, the fact that it has no toning matches what I've seen with other known Aluminum coins. They do not tone! From what I've learned about Aluminum, it does not tone since it is very reactive and immediately forms an invisible oxide layer that protects it from further oxidation, so no toning for Aluminum. Has anyone ever seen an aluminum coin with toning?
One other tidbit, the tin/copper patterns have black streaks on the edge (from Lange's book), just as this one does as you can see from my original photos. But they are from totally different dies. The tin alloy patterns have cut in rims, the dies were modified so that the raised rims around the coin are closer in! Look at the "IN GOD WE TRUST" motto on a tin alloy pattern and you will see that those dies were modified and not like normal run production dies. I always found that unusual for those tin pieces. Why cut the rims in?
I've never seen a tin 1942 pattern in person but they are not proofs. This one is a proof from regular dies. So they are not from the same run. We are talking about 2 totally different beasts here. Kind of like the 1913 Buffalo J-1951 in reverse versus a normal 1913 buffalo proof die.. Apparently, they tried on at least 2 different occasions with different dies and alloys, no surprising given the large variety of tests ran that year.
There does appear to be a slight bulge (not very noticeable) but I disagree with Heritage that it is from retired dies as I've never seen this before and I've been looking at this for a while now. I've done a side by side comparison with a regular proof coin in an early die state and the mirrored reflectivity pattern match EXACTLY. To me that says the dies were not overpolished and the die state of this pattern is an early one - which reconfirms my belief. Most 1942 Lincolns are very overpolished, especially at the front of Lincoln's lapel near the rim.
I suspect it is the planchet which "bounced back" after striking that caused the slight bulge, kind of like a spring. Have you ever heard of memory metal?? That's my best guess anyways because you can't have the mirror pattern match perfectly and a warped die so it must be the planchet! Any slight difference would be magnified by the mirrored fields. Perhaps that's the reason this alloy was rejected, it didn't strike properly. I believe that the tin ones were rejected for a simple reason, tin is WAY too soft to use for circulating coins. With their weight and extreme softness (close to that of lead), they would have been totally useless for regular coinage. Strange choice for an alloy test.
Another strange fact I found was that the alloy for the tin pieces match exactly plumbers solder! Strange coincidence. Maybe one of the mint workers had some laying around and thought it'd be worth a try??
Heritage did a good job photographing this piece but I am sure that scratch on the shoulder is not on the coin but the slab! I was shocked when I saw that scratch there, lol.
Well, 1942 was a strange year for our country and at the mint.
<< <i>I agree with both Andy and speety regarding my quick math on the piece, but I chose to limit myself to the data given by the owner of the piece in the first thread. Even with that limitation, I have doubts as to the accuracy of the numbers given since the owner of the piece had misplaced a decimal point in one value. Of course, we have to deal with the differential in the height of the rim vs. the height of the devices vs. the depth of the fields and have to take into consideration the described bulge. Given those limitations I thought it best to stop where I did in this case. >>
The reverse is also finned.... that may have thrown off my measurement for the thickness at 0.93 inches. I didn't want to deform it in any manner just to get a measurement.
If you held it in your hands raw, you'd just know it was aluminum due to it seeming to weigh next to nothing.
I think you could use X-ray diffraction to determine the metal composition without hurting the coin. It could stay in the slab. I don't think the plastic slab would discolor but a sample slab test might be in order.
badger
Collector of Modern Silver Proofs 1950-1964 -- PCGS Registry as Elite Cameo
<< <i>So let me see if I understand all that happened since Travel's first post in January of this here. Casually shows what PCGS and he believe is an high R7 pattern very nonchalantly like he is just happy to give us a peak at something sweet in his collection. Very lean on the info, making most of the experts excitedly blurt the facts out for him as if he doesn't know what he owns. He does say a similar item sold in the six figure range so it might be time for him to get it slabbed. Anywho he keeps the momentum going by dishing out scarps of info over time including photos of the coin in the slab. he even humbly apologized for his horrendous picture taking skills that seem to put even the best to shame and the thread keeps on giving only until reaching a climatic height of what happened to this rare pattern ideally approx one month before we see it without any fanfare on Heritage. Hmmm, I don't know about you guys but I want to hire travel to expose my ultra rarities, he is good, damn good, any one got his number.
Edited to disclaim I am not telling any one this is a accurately stated R7, just commenting on the whole trip or travel experience. >>
Thanks Realone but the short of it is this. I slabbed the coin. Posted it here for fun and I enjoyed everyone's comments. Decided to cosigned it to Heritage a couple of weeks later. It wasn't cosigned when I posted here, I know there is a policy of not posting coins your currently trying to sale. So it wasn't for sale then.
If that was bad manners on my part, I apologize and will not do it again.
<< <i>Travel why don't you just hold of the auction and get it to S&N Labs, where Dr. Neil Spingarn can run SEM-EDX tests on it so nobody will have to wonder and you can get maximum mileage from additional info to the purchaser? >>
It's too late now my friend, the bull has left the pin!
<< <i>Travel thought this was going to be your 10TH post give away? >>
10th? I was going to wait till 1000 and give away something really nice. Who wants some aluminum penny from 1942 anyways?? How about a nice bronze one?
<< <i>Is anyone else kind of sad to see this up for auction? I liked the story behind the coin and the fact that it sounded like it resided with a collector who loved the coin and didn't buy it for a 'registy' or 'top pop' like most ultra-rarities today.
Good luck to Travel in the sale. I remember TDN saying he guessed $250k, anyother guesses for the final price? >>
I'm saddened a little but the market is too strong for me to hold onto it any longer. I hope TDN is right. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
<< <i>So let me see if I understand all that happened since Travel's first post in January of this here. Casually shows what PCGS and he believe is an high R7 pattern very nonchalantly like he is just happy to give us a peak at something sweet in his collection. Very lean on the info, making most of the experts excitedly blurt the facts out for him as if he doesn't know what he owns. He does say a similar item sold in the six figure range so it might be time for him to get it slabbed. Anywho he keeps the momentum going by dishing out scarps of info over time including photos of the coin in the slab. he even humbly apologized for his horrendous picture taking skills that seem to put even the best to shame and the thread keeps on giving only until reaching a climatic height of what happened to this rare pattern ideally approx one month before we see it without any fanfare on Heritage. Hmmm, I don't know about you guys but I want to hire travel to expose my ultra rarities, he is good, damn good, any one got his number.
Edited to disclaim I am not telling any one this is a accurately stated R7, just commenting on the whole trip or travel experience. >>
Thanks Realone but the short of it is this. I slabbed the coin. Posted it here for fun and I enjoyed everyone's comments. Decided to cosigned it to Heritage a couple of weeks later. It wasn't cosigned when I posted here, I know there is a policy of not posting coins your currently trying to sale. So it wasn't for sale then.
If that was bad manners on my part, I apologize and will not do it again. >>
I dont think you did anything wrong as many people have been intrigued by the coin and it has been a good learning experience for all. I sure would like to know what the metal is though....
Have looked at the Heritage image three times now, and can't pick up the bulge they refer to. Can somebody please point it out? TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
<< <i>So is this why the original op started the thread showing this pattern to start the ball rolling on getting the interest flowing on this coin rather than putting it on the BST? >>
You are cynical...but I like it!!!! There may be some truth to 50% of that statment. Although, I mean, would anyone in their right mind put a $100K+ coin on the BST...
Maybe Stewart will buy it?
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travel, based on the data I've seen here, as a metallurgist I agree with your analysis and opinion that the coin is likely pure aluminum, and not an aluminum alloy. The rim thickness cannot be used to determine the density, as it does not tell us the volume accurately. One could use the Archimedean method (liquid displacement) to measure the volume, or one could estimate a correction factor for the volume by comparing the known density of a regular issue cent with its theoretical density base solely on rim thickness. However, we're in the right ballpark, and everything else about the coin says "aluminum" to me.
Travel: Thanks for the additional comments. However, PCGS should have done its job completely and tested the coin before slabbing it and Heritage should have insisted on this before accepting the consignment. Just my opinion.
If I had the cash, I’d buy it, have the tests performed, then re-consign it accompanied by full disclosure and background. I suspect it would bring much more in that second auction.
Though this coin is special, PCGS and Heritage don't have the time, nor are they required, to diagnose every coin to share with you it's true weight or metal.
I believe it is authentic because of the date, more than other aspects. The mint was desperate for metal alternatives during WWII, and I believe they fooled around a bit on trying to find substitutes. Based on travel's "research", it seems aluminum for sure.
Stewart will not bid on it - not a fan of "off-metal" cents. If Simpsonville wants it, "they" will own it.
$250,000??? No way. The copper 1943's and the steel 1944's are much more interesting to own, IMHO. There are pleny of IHC aluminum cents or other patterns you could own, if you want aluminum so bad.
But this one has had quite a story build-up. EXCELLENT for marketing a coin for maximum value!!!
PCGS’s first responsibility is authentication. But if they don't state what it's made of what does that say about the authentication? Heritage is the seller's agent, and should offer full disclosure. They could easily add the owner’s details with the caveat that they were not independently produced.
Yes, much of the hobby is about marketing and making as much money as possible. But when the marketers are dead or in jail or living in Brazil, you can still open your dusty copy of Crosby, Newman, Taxay and learn something.
<< <i>What's this? What's wrong with TDN's leg? >>
TD is CaptHenway... Tom DeLorey. He slipped and broke his femur the other day. He asked earlier in the thread about a "bump" on the coin, or was it a bulge ?
<< <i>This lot has been withdrawn from this auction. Bids are no longer accepted and previous bids are cancelled.
Very interesting. I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of the story! >>
Me, too!!
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<< <i>So is this why the original op started the thread showing this pattern to start the ball rolling on getting the interest flowing on this coin rather than putting it on the BST? >>
Where is this coming from? I guess once a troll, always a troll.
Thank you for the compliment, I am not interested in bidding on this coin, although I am a serious pattern collector, but I thought I would bring up the point about the first thread travel started here and then disappeared. I thought it was quite strange to bring it up last month then disappear, that is all. This troll will go now.
You have a valid point, Al.
Now back up under the bridge where you can lie in wait to devour innocent pedestrians.
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<< <i>If we go by the numbers that were included in the first thread about the coin we find out that it is a standard diameter cent (1.9cm) that is 0.095 inches (0.2413cm) in height and that it weighs 1.563g. Since a cent can be thought of as a right circular cylinder we may calculate the density of the coin using the formula V=(pi)r(2)h and we obtain the following-
V=(3.1415...)(0.95cm)(0.95cm)(0.2413cm)
V=0.6842cm(3) Please note that I realize I am using too many significant figures.
We may then calculate the density-
d=(1.563g)/(0.6842cm(3))
d=2.28g-cm(-3)
This density is lower than that of pure aluminum, which has a density of 2.70g-cm(-3). Therefore, if the data is correct and the piece contains aluminum, there must be an alloy of some type. If, however, the owner of the coin gave values that were in error then this is a moot point. >>
You may be figuring the net thickness wrong, not allowing enough for the rims.
TD
Edited to add: I see that others beat me to this point. >>
Whatever that point may be, would having the specifics and history to this coin increase it's value? If so, are we about to see the owner get shortchanged because he doesn't know the specifics and that a second sale awaits around the corner by someone who does have the specifics?
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
<< <i>So is this why the original op started the thread showing this pattern to start the ball rolling on getting the interest flowing on this coin rather than putting it on the BST? >>
I wonder what the most expensive coin ever sold in the BST was.
I, too, would love to examine this.
I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
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<< <i>So is this why the original op started the thread showing this pattern to start the ball rolling on getting the interest flowing on this coin rather than putting it on the BST? >>
I wonder what the most expensive coin ever sold in the BST was. >>
Oops guess I should have included
Oh yeah almost forgot
You're welcome.
<< <i>The description lacks sufficient knowable information to properly attribute and track the coin. Is it pure aluminum, aluminum-silver alloy, stainless steel, burnished electrolytic manganese, aluminum plated coprolite, pewter, or ??? Without weight, diameter, thickness, alloy, etc. what might be a unique piece, or one that is traceable to specific events gets lost in the mass of Judd numbers.
(My interest is also increased in that the standard references on WW-II experimental coinage are incomplete and do not adequately reflect the extent of in-house and external experiments done with both official and �nonsense� dies. Additional research is being done, but to have something that might be entirely different show up at auction, and not know what it really is, is frustrating. Suggests to me that there might be much in �quality� auction catalogs that is bogus and misleading so far as this type of esoteric material goes. � End of editorial.) >>
Hope it's kosher to post on this thread...
Hello RWB, it's my fault. I meant to send Heritage the information, as I gave here but got caught up and never got around to it. Also, I wasn't sure if they'd take my un-expert opinion on it since it wasn't directly stated on the slab. And we don't really know the true composition since no test (as far as I know) were done so "white metal" is probably the best description. It irks me a little also, since I would love to know myself what I've suspected all these years. Is it Al or an Al alloy??
I hope someone does a full test one day but I'm 99% sure it'll come up close to 100% Al.
Besides the little data I was able to collect and give here, the fact that it has no toning matches what I've seen with other known Aluminum coins. They do not tone! From what I've learned about Aluminum, it does not tone since it is very reactive and immediately forms an invisible oxide layer that protects it from further oxidation, so no toning for Aluminum. Has anyone ever seen an aluminum coin with toning?
One other tidbit, the tin/copper patterns have black streaks on the edge (from Lange's book), just as this one does as you can see from my original photos. But they are from totally different dies. The tin alloy patterns have cut in rims, the dies were modified so that the raised rims around the coin are closer in! Look at the "IN GOD WE TRUST" motto on a tin alloy pattern and you will see that those dies were modified and not like normal run production dies. I always found that unusual for those tin pieces. Why cut the rims in?
I've never seen a tin 1942 pattern in person but they are not proofs. This one is a proof from regular dies. So they are not from the same run. We are talking about 2 totally different beasts here. Kind of like the 1913 Buffalo J-1951 in reverse versus a normal 1913 buffalo proof die.. Apparently, they tried on at least 2 different occasions with different dies and alloys, no surprising given the large variety of tests ran that year.
There does appear to be a slight bulge (not very noticeable) but I disagree with Heritage that it is from retired dies as I've never seen this before and I've been looking at this for a while now. I've done a side by side comparison with a regular proof coin in an early die state and the mirrored reflectivity pattern match EXACTLY. To me that says the dies were not overpolished and the die state of this pattern is an early one - which reconfirms my belief. Most 1942 Lincolns are very overpolished, especially at the front of Lincoln's lapel near the rim.
I suspect it is the planchet which "bounced back" after striking that caused the slight bulge, kind of like a spring. Have you ever heard of memory metal?? That's my best guess anyways because you can't have the mirror pattern match perfectly and a warped die so it must be the planchet! Any slight difference would be magnified by the mirrored fields. Perhaps that's the reason this alloy was rejected, it didn't strike properly. I believe that the tin ones were rejected for a simple reason, tin is WAY too soft to use for circulating coins. With their weight and extreme softness (close to that of lead), they would have been totally useless for regular coinage. Strange choice for an alloy test.
Another strange fact I found was that the alloy for the tin pieces match exactly plumbers solder! Strange coincidence. Maybe one of the mint workers had some laying around and thought it'd be worth a try??
Heritage did a good job photographing this piece but I am sure that scratch on the shoulder is not on the coin but the slab! I was shocked when I saw that scratch there, lol.
Well, 1942 was a strange year for our country and at the mint.
<< <i>I agree with both Andy and speety regarding my quick math on the piece, but I chose to limit myself to the data given by the owner of the piece in the first thread. Even with that limitation, I have doubts as to the accuracy of the numbers given since the owner of the piece had misplaced a decimal point in one value. Of course, we have to deal with the differential in the height of the rim vs. the height of the devices vs. the depth of the fields and have to take into consideration the described bulge. Given those limitations I thought it best to stop where I did in this case. >>
The reverse is also finned.... that may have thrown off my measurement for the thickness at 0.93 inches. I didn't want to deform it in any manner just to get a measurement.
If you held it in your hands raw, you'd just know it was aluminum due to it seeming to weigh next to nothing.
badger
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<< <i>So let me see if I understand all that happened since Travel's first post in January of this here. Casually shows what PCGS and he believe is an high R7 pattern very nonchalantly like he is just happy to give us a peak at something sweet in his collection. Very lean on the info, making most of the experts excitedly blurt the facts out for him as if he doesn't know what he owns. He does say a similar item sold in the six figure range so it might be time for him to get it slabbed. Anywho he keeps the momentum going by dishing out scarps of info over time including photos of the coin in the slab. he even humbly apologized for his horrendous picture taking skills that seem to put even the best to shame and the thread keeps on giving only until reaching a climatic height of what happened to this rare pattern ideally approx one month before we see it without any fanfare on Heritage. Hmmm, I don't know about you guys but I want to hire travel to expose my ultra rarities, he is good, damn good, any one got his number.
Edited to disclaim I am not telling any one this is a accurately stated R7, just commenting on the whole trip or travel experience.
Thanks Realone but the short of it is this. I slabbed the coin. Posted it here for fun and I enjoyed everyone's comments. Decided to cosigned it to Heritage a couple of weeks later. It wasn't cosigned when I posted here, I know there is a policy of not posting coins your currently trying to sale. So it wasn't for sale then.
If that was bad manners on my part, I apologize and will not do it again.
<< <i>Travel why don't you just hold of the auction and get it to S&N Labs, where Dr. Neil
Spingarn can run SEM-EDX tests on it so nobody will have to wonder and you can get maximum mileage from additional info to the purchaser? >>
It's too late now my friend, the bull has left the pin!
<< <i>Travel thought this was going to be your 10TH post give away?
10th? I was going to wait till 1000 and give away something really nice. Who wants some aluminum penny from 1942 anyways?? How about a nice bronze one?
<< <i>Is anyone else kind of sad to see this up for auction? I liked the story behind the coin and the fact that it sounded like it resided with a collector who loved the coin and didn't buy it for a 'registy' or 'top pop' like most ultra-rarities today.
Good luck to Travel in the sale. I remember TDN saying he guessed $250k, anyother guesses for the final price? >>
I'm saddened a little but the market is too strong for me to hold onto it any longer. I hope TDN is right. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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<< <i>So let me see if I understand all that happened since Travel's first post in January of this here. Casually shows what PCGS and he believe is an high R7 pattern very nonchalantly like he is just happy to give us a peak at something sweet in his collection. Very lean on the info, making most of the experts excitedly blurt the facts out for him as if he doesn't know what he owns. He does say a similar item sold in the six figure range so it might be time for him to get it slabbed. Anywho he keeps the momentum going by dishing out scarps of info over time including photos of the coin in the slab. he even humbly apologized for his horrendous picture taking skills that seem to put even the best to shame and the thread keeps on giving only until reaching a climatic height of what happened to this rare pattern ideally approx one month before we see it without any fanfare on Heritage. Hmmm, I don't know about you guys but I want to hire travel to expose my ultra rarities, he is good, damn good, any one got his number.
Edited to disclaim I am not telling any one this is a accurately stated R7, just commenting on the whole trip or travel experience.
Thanks Realone but the short of it is this. I slabbed the coin. Posted it here for fun and I enjoyed everyone's comments. Decided to cosigned it to Heritage a couple of weeks later. It wasn't cosigned when I posted here, I know there is a policy of not posting coins your currently trying to sale. So it wasn't for sale then.
If that was bad manners on my part, I apologize and will not do it again. >>
I dont think you did anything wrong as many people have been intrigued by the coin and it has been a good learning experience for all. I sure would like to know what the metal is though....
TD
<< <i>So is this why the original op started the thread showing this pattern to start the ball rolling on getting the interest flowing on this coin rather than putting it on the BST? >>
You are cynical...but I like it!!!! There may be some truth to 50% of that statment. Although, I mean, would anyone in their right mind put a $100K+ coin on the BST...
Maybe Stewart will buy it?
Collector of Early 20th Century U.S. Coinage.
ANA Member R-3147111
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If I had the cash, I’d buy it, have the tests performed, then re-consign it accompanied by full disclosure and background. I suspect it would bring much more in that second auction.
I believe it is authentic because of the date, more than other aspects. The mint was desperate for metal alternatives during WWII, and I believe they fooled around a bit on trying to find substitutes. Based on travel's "research", it seems aluminum for sure.
Stewart will not bid on it - not a fan of "off-metal" cents.
If Simpsonville wants it, "they" will own it.
$250,000??? No way. The copper 1943's and the steel 1944's are much more interesting to own, IMHO. There are pleny of IHC aluminum cents or other patterns you could own, if you want aluminum so bad.
But this one has had quite a story build-up. EXCELLENT for marketing a coin for maximum value!!!
Yes, much of the hobby is about marketing and making as much money as possible. But when the marketers are dead or in jail or living in Brazil, you can still open your dusty copy of Crosby, Newman, Taxay and learn something.
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
<< <i>What's this? What's wrong with TDN's leg? >>
TD is CaptHenway... Tom DeLorey. He slipped and broke his femur the other day. He asked earlier in the thread about a "bump" on the coin, or was it a bulge ?
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it's a secret.
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Very interesting. I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of the story!
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Very interesting. I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of the story! >>
Me, too!!
I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
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<< <i>This lot has been withdrawn from this auction. Bids are no longer accepted and previous bids are cancelled.
Very interesting. I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of the story! >>
WTF!!! I just checked this earlier today and it was at $63k with the juice!!
<< <i>Rumours, rumours.... >>
What would those be, do you have one to get us going.
<< <i>Rumours, rumours.... >>
British rumors?