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derryb · February 18, 2008 2:16AM

All pics of the same coin (Monroe):

2manycoins2fewfunds · February 18, 2008 2:18AM

It slipped while going through edge lettering machine.

derryb · February 18, 2008 2:19AM

Yep, i woulda liked it better if it had just skipped the edge lettering machine

19Lyds · February 18, 2008 4:08AM

I'm sorry but what coin is this?

A Monroe?

If so, there are quite a vew of these "Partial Edge Lettering" coins turning up. Perhaps it has to do with the US Mints new "One Step" process for making these coins where the coins go directly from the coining presses to the edge lettering machine?

commoncents05 · February 18, 2008 4:09AM

Which Prezzie is it?

-Paul

coinkid855 · February 18, 2008 4:16AM

I believe it is a Monroe. You can see the date in one of the pictures, and it looks like a 2008.

-Paul

Kaelasdad · February 18, 2008 5:57AM

PCGS mentioned new rules regarding grading coins and allowing certain coins new coin numbers and certain coins and E, and I think one rule is the machining--clips,planchet flaws, I wonder if the "skips" where you can see rim damage will get the E number and where a non skipped coin but partial nonethe less will get a new coin number. This coin would exhibit the skipped edge right at E pluribus.

Whitby · February 22, 2008 2:26PM

Are skipped letters going to be considered a variety and not an error per se?

19Lyds · February 22, 2008 2:42PM

I think these would qualify and be labeled as an error as no two are alike such as when a different die is used which produces the same image on each coin.

I also think that this would qualify as a "Partial Edge Lettering" which gets slabbed as an error.

Come to think of it, every one of the unusual "varieties" in the President Complete Variety Sets is actually labeled a Mint Error. This includes the Smooth Edge, Double Overlapped Edge Lettering, Double Inverted Edge Lettering, Weak Edge Lettering and Partial Edge Lettering.

The real varieties, I believe, are in the Satin Finish coins and in the Position A and Position B coins since these orientations appear to be constant. That is until the mint can come up with a method of producing them all identically such as with the Proofs.

Silverstate · February 22, 2008 3:48PM

Great...Yet another Mint error to collect.

Oh. I'll need an A & B of that one too!

BECOKA · February 22, 2008 3:57PM

So why does PCGS recognize so many errors on this series but they still don't recognize the birth mark die Kennedy?

Granted the Kennedy is a variety not an error but still.

Whitby · February 22, 2008 11:12PM

<< <i>I think these would qualify and be labeled as an error as no two are alike such as when a different die is used which produces the same image on each coin.

I also think that this would qualify as a "Partial Edge Lettering" which gets slabbed as an error.

Come to think of it, every one of the unusual "varieties" in the President Complete Variety Sets is actually labeled a Mint Error. This includes the Smooth Edge, Double Overlapped Edge Lettering, Double Inverted Edge Lettering, Weak Edge Lettering and Partial Edge Lettering.

The real varieties, I believe, are in the Satin Finish coins and in the Position A and Position B coins since these orientations appear to be constant. That is until the mint can come up with a method of producing them all identically such as with the Proofs. >>

I thought about that. The smooothies or double letterng, I can see as errors, however, the partial lettering etc etc did go through the normal process, BUT the lettering ie either got stuck and thus the partial lettering.

Smooothies, did not get the full process.....so, I can see that as an error. Looking at all of the potential variations, calling all these errors would be a bit strange or overkill wouldnt it? I look at it like machine doubling. DIs that an error, no. But here we have weak strike POS A, POS B, dropped lettering etc etc etc. Thats why I was wondering.

Silverstate · February 22, 2008 11:36PM

The interesting thing is that this Monroe pictured is another example of a Partial Edge Lettered coin.
I'm not sure what PCGS would say about this particular coin.
NGC does grade these, which NGC mentioned in passing as coins that jammed in the "Schler Presses",
So I will call this a "Schuler" Partial Edge Lettering coin versus the clean rim version we have known that is missing a letter or more but smooth.

Aren't they both Partial Edge Lettering Coins? Missing Edge Lettering coins seem to be on the average more common than partial edge lettering coins.
In the case of the Jefferson dollar, the missing edge lettering coins are over 800 coins graded and a small fraction of that is in partial edge lettering.

19Lyds · February 23, 2008 12:47AM

<< <i>So why does PCGS recognize so many errors on this series but they still don't recognize the birth mark die Kennedy?

Granted the Kennedy is a variety not an error but still. >>

Oh I'm sure Russ is pounding on them for this one but PCGS is kinda like the USS Enterprise, a huge ship that takes forever to turn!

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