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$2.50 Indian experts opinion needed...

DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
I know my pictures are average at best, but..

Your grade opinions are very much needed and appreciated.

Thanks,

DE59

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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    1911-au-58

    1925-au-53

    1912-ms-61
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't grade them from pictures.
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    BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    They all look to have a little rub on the cheek from the photo's it's impossible to tell how much hair-lining is happening in the fields which are really the top of the coin.

    The 1911, looks to be AU55-58.

    The 1912, looks to be AU58-MS62.

    The 1925-D looks to be around AU50-55. (The eagle's feathers have a little wear)

    Can't really get better than this without seeing them in hand. Gold Indians are one of the toughest series to grade in hand let alone from a photo.


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    robecrobec Posts: 7,032 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1911 AU58

    1925 AU53

    1912 AU58
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gold $2 1/2 and $5 Indians are one of the toughest series to grade in hand let alone from a photo.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From your pics they appear to be at least AU. Have they been authenticated? There are many high quality fakes in this series. In fact, you could put together the entire set of 15 coins using nothing but fakes.

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, they have not been authenticated.

    I realize there are some very good fakes out there. Especially $10 Indians.

    I'm thinking these are high end AU coins.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    It is impossible to grade most coins accurately from images.

    Indian $2.50 and $5.00 are quite difficult to grade generally.

    Therefore Indian $2.50 are particularly impossible to grade from images !!

    There is no way to determine AU vs MS from images ... it's all a question of whether the luster is intact, which can only be evaluated by carefully tilting the coin under a suitable light source and checking the reflectivity and surface texture in all areas.
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I realize there are some very good fakes out there. Especially $10 Indians.

    I beg to differ as I bet you'd find 25+ fake $2 1/2 Indians for every 1 $10 Indian fake.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,540 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm thinking these are high end AU coins. >>



    That would be my guess too but it's hard to tell from the pics if they've been cleaned or messed with in some way.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,540 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I realize there are some very good fakes out there. Especially $10 Indians.

    I beg to differ as I bet you'd find 25+ fake $2 1/2 Indians for every 1 $10 Indian fake. >>



    Agree. The $2 1/2 Indians are far more prevalent.

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    BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Regarding the fakes, yes the quarter eagle has dozens and probably far outweigh the Eagle fakes. I have been to dealers that have jars full of these, when they get enough they go have them melted into bars.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I beg to differ as I bet you'd find 25+ fake $2 1/2 Indians for every 1 $10 Indian fake.

    Yes, I agree with you, there are more $2.5 fakes than $10's.

    What I meant was I find the $10 Indian fakes better quality than the $2.50 Indians.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I beg to differ as I bet you'd find 25+ fake $2 1/2 Indians for every 1 $10 Indian fake.

    Yes, I agree with you, there are more $2.5 fakes than $10's.

    What I meant was I find the $10 Indian fakes better quality than the $2.50 Indians. >>



    That's more like it. Yeah many of the quarter eagle fakes can be spotted a mile away. I still have trouble with the eagles. I have two fakes, I will see if I can take photo's sometime next week.

    For now here is a nice rustic 1913 quarter eagle. image

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,540 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I beg to differ as I bet you'd find 25+ fake $2 1/2 Indians for every 1 $10 Indian fake.

    Yes, I agree with you, there are more $2.5 fakes than $10's.

    What I meant was I find the $10 Indian fakes better quality than the $2.50 Indians. >>



    Like all fakes, the quality varies depending on the source. Some are laughably crude while others are so good they are scary. Most are somewhere in between.


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