Anybody ever get a retaliatory neg?

notwilight · February 10, 2008 7:11AM

My selling account, carlsbadeagletrader, has 2155 positives and zero negatives in the past 12 months. I have left 2327 feedbacks for others and believe they were all positive. I have no feedback mutually withdrawn. Ho Hum. No excitement.

However, I have a buying ID that I used to use for metalworking tools, motorcycle parts, etc and now use it to buy just about anything that is not coin business related. I was suprised to notice that it didn't have 100% positive feedback this morning. Then I remembered. A few months ago I bought an item that showed up non-functional (broke). I sent them an e-mail and have forgotten the details but I may have gotten one e-mail but no response to the last 6 or so i sent. Called their contact phone and got no reply. Sent them several e-mails saying that I have no choice but to leave negative feedback. Still no reply. Left a negative. The next day, IIRC, they left a retaliatory neg saying something like "Offered full refund, buyer is a bozo."

This guy deserved a neg and I didn't. I look forward to the feedback changes.
--Jerry

Russ · February 10, 2008 7:14AM

Yes, I have three negs and all three are retaliation. One from a seller before I smartened up and setup a buying account. One from a bidder who jacked me around for a month and then paid with a $300 bad check. And one from a forum member who registered a new eBay handle the day of the auction close, won the item, never paid, and negged me.

Russ, NCNE

Kaelasdad · February 10, 2008 7:21AM

I have one negative, from a guy who tried to sell me an altered error roll. he claimed it was original, but after looking at the end coins in person and seeing how they perfectly matched 2 coins he himself had purchased a month previous, I asked for paypal to step in and refund. I made my case, he had to refund, and he left me a negative. I wear it proudly.

garsmith · February 10, 2008 7:23AM

I don't have any negs

Fairlaneman · February 10, 2008 7:23AM

No neg's but a couple of neutrals for "Reeded Edge" products. Only have one account for buying and selling car parts and coins. Never have had a car part problem just "Reeded Edge" problems.

Ken

rgCoinGuy · February 10, 2008 7:25AM

Both of my two negs were retaliatory one from a buyer and one from a seller. The new policy will knock them both off those since they are both over 12 months ago now (if I am understanding the new policy.) I don't remember what happened on the item I sold, so that is possibly not actually retaliation, but I will never forget the one I got as a buyer. Bought a roll of coins, the seller claimed they were moving (and very well may have), but I waited something like a month, and finally he sent me a roll of CRAP coins, nothing like the picture, and admitted to me that he just had one of his buddies send me a roll. Never did send me the original roll, so I finally neg'd him and yep, he returned the favor.

Deadhorse · February 10, 2008 7:31AM

Thankfully no. However, I was once threatened with a retaliatory neg and I was the buyer and paid on time.

I forwarded his threatening emails to eBay. Never got any feedback from him. Just as well, he was NARU'd a few months later.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · February 10, 2008 7:48AM

Yes.

notwilight · February 10, 2008 8:09AM

<< Thankfully no. However, I was once threatened with a retaliatory neg and I was the buyer and paid on time. I forwarded his threatening emails to eBay. Never got any feedback from him. Just as well, he was NARU'd a few months later. >>

Yep, Puting a threat in writing is a big no-no. I had a forum member (stellar) threaten me after he bought a coin just to leave a neg (I believe). I forwarded his e-mail to ebay and i think they told him he'd better not leave a neg. --jerry

ProofArtworkonCircs · February 10, 2008 3:01PM

I have one negative, definetly retalatory. I have seen a recent clean newbie leave a neutral for a seller. The seller gave him a negative for giving him bad feedback and that was the reason he gave for it.

ArizonaJack · February 10, 2008 3:11PM

Yes on my buy account, seller was NARU'd last week

Rupert305 · February 11, 2008 1:48AM

I once bought a DVD on the bay. When I received the DVD the disc was cracked, clearly had a bootleg cover and not the original box but was still wrapped in cello. I contacted the seller he told me to send it back which I did and never heard back from him again. Three weeks go buy from when I send it back, still no response. So I leave him a neg and sure enough he leaves one for me. Two weeks after I neg him I receive an e-mail from him telling me to stop my dispute with paypal for the item because, paypal has frozen his account for too many disputes.

dac076 · February 11, 2008 1:57AM

100% positive since 1999, but I expect that will change with the new rules. Any seller who thinks this is a good change is kidding themselves. No matter how good your customer service is, someone sometime will have a complaint and express it in the form of a neg, with no risk of being rated themselves. Of course, all sellers will be in the same boat so the playing field is level. But 100% positive will be rare.

mrpotatoheadd · February 11, 2008 2:02AM

I've left negs for several sellers when the situation warranted it (item not as described but would not refund or replace). In return, I've received a couple of retaliatory negs. I keep reading about how buyers are afraid of them (retaliatory negs), but I sure don't see where the ones I've received have caused me any trouble.

richardshipp · February 11, 2008 2:06AM

Yes...

My one and only neg was from a seller who needs to DIAF. Actually I don't think they sell anymore on eBay. Scoundrels.

OffMetal · February 11, 2008 2:09AM

<< 100% positive since 1999, but I expect that will change with the new rules. Any seller who thinks this is a good change is kidding themselves. No matter how good your customer service is, someone sometime will have a complaint and express it in the form of a neg, with no risk of being rated themselves. Of course, all sellers will be in the same boat so the playing field is level. But 100% positive will be rare. >>

Not only that, the scammers who don't get it their way will leave undeserved negs.

pendragon1998 · February 11, 2008 2:41AM

I have gotten two - both from half.com textbook sellers - both from several years before I got back into coins. One was for a cheap book that the seller (28/30; 93.5% f/b) wrapped in pieces of brown grocery bag paper and that got shredded in the mail. He refused to pay my return postage so I kept the book and negged him. The other was from a half.com seller (370/428; 88.1% f/b) that took 20 days to get the textbook to me because he ordered it from amazon.uk and had it shipped to me.

Both of those jokers deserved their negs and both of their negs were definitely retaliatory. I'm no fan of the new f/b rules, but I will be glad to finally give those undeserved negs the boot (at least as far as my percentage goes). I only sell a few coins here and there, but had I realized that those retaliatory negs might be a problem, I'd have just started a new account. I don't feel that my current 98.5% rating reflects the attention I give to being a good seller. I've never had a complaint from any coin buyer or seller.

lkrarecoins · February 11, 2008 2:42AM

yes, on a NEUTRAL!!!!!!

PerryHall · February 11, 2008 4:20AM

<< yes, on a NEUTRAL!!!!!! >>

Usually neutrals result in retaliatory negs. Plus you were probably blocked from future bidding on any of his auctions.

TAClough · February 11, 2008 4:38AM

<< Yes, I have three negs and all three are retaliation. One from a seller before I smartened up and setup a buying account. One from a bidder who jacked me around for a month and then paid with a $300 bad check. And one from a forum member who registered a new eBay handle the day of the auction close, won the item, never paid, and negged me.

Russ, NCNE >>

Who is the lowlife forum member?

notwilight · February 11, 2008 4:47AM

<< 100% positive since 1999, but I expect that will change with the new rules. Any seller who thinks this is a good change is kidding themselves. No matter how good your customer service is, someone sometime will have a complaint and express it in the form of a neg, with no risk of being rated themselves. Of course, all sellers will be in the same boat so the playing field is level. But 100% positive will be rare. >>

Yes, 100% positive will be rare. I expect to lose my 100% positive rating. But now we'll be grading on a curve and the scoundrels will be getting 10x as many negs as I do. If you just mentally and emotionally can't handle getting an occasional undeserved neg, then this change will drive you crazy. But if you can look at the big picture and watch your competition's feedback drop into the 80s while you're still at 98 you'll be fine.

Now if you're one of the guys who will be headed for 80 or below (and I'm not addressing you personally, dac) then of course you're worried. Expect those guys to be the loudest opponents to the new system.

--Jerry

YaHa · February 11, 2008 5:12AM

I have one neg on my wife's ebay acct. I bought a Barry Bonds card about 4 years ago for $3.99 it was his rookie card of course before he became the alltime king.

The auction said from this seller that the card is fresh from the pack and the one on the auction in the photo is the one you get. Well it was sweet. $3.99 plus $3.95 shipping. I thought!

The seller sent "a" card in a envelope in a plastic top loader with a 32 cent stamp and the card was a f-ing piece of shi4!! The seller stated again Mint card brand new out of the sleeve. I emailed him and told him what he sent me and he told me to go f myself. Well I negged him, got a Retaliatory neg from him and it stated.-----

--Buyer is a stupid kid trying to pay $3.99 for a Barry Bonds RC "MENT CARD" I don't know what the hell (ment) means, but I complained to ebay and they told me there is nothing they could do about it. A few years later you were able to agree if both parties wanted a neg to be remove you must go through a process, but this kid/clown never wrote me back.

My wife has over 2,400+ posi and 1 neg. *Once in a while I will get a buyer asking me why I have a neg before they bid*

About 2 years ago my friend and I play with this dork and we had a bidding war on one his Nascar die cast cars, with brand new bogus accts, I remember we both made bids over $10,000 and waited to the last possible moment to remove our bids because of entering error. Wrong amounts.

Well both of us got emails from this bozo stating. I see that you made a bid on my auction but I don't know what went wrong, but if you still want this item I will make a deal with you and sell it to you for $5,000.00. That's a saving of over $5k what you placed on my auction. Now remember both of us got the same email.

Long story short, I wrote back to this Maggot!! and said who fucted who now you worthless piece of Sh3t!! Remember me I am the one that you sent a worthless Barry Bonds rookie card to a few years ago. Never heard from the Turd again.

I still sit and wonder to this day, did this idiot think he hit the otto that day or what?

YaHa · February 11, 2008 5:15AM

<< 100% positive since 1999, but I expect that will change with the new rules. Any seller who thinks this is a good change is kidding themselves. No matter how good your customer service is, someone sometime will have a complaint and express it in the form of a neg, with no risk of being rated themselves. Of course, all sellers will be in the same boat so the playing field is level. But 100% positive will be rare. >>

What is your ebay name I will help you out before the flood gates open.

BECOKA · February 11, 2008 5:16AM

Not yet. The only time I have left negatives the buyers were no longer part of e-bay before they could do a retaliatory.

NorcalJim · February 11, 2008 11:22AM

Perhaps this is why Ebay has changed their feedback policy.

Anybody ever get a retaliatory neg?

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