Jefferson 1946S FS-031.5 - hockey stick?

NIckelCollector · January 27, 2008 8:07AM

I have only examined two of these varieties and both had the hockey stick.

For comparison purposes here is a non variety 1946S.

Here is the FS-031.5 variety. Check out the ponytail.

Do all the FS-031.5 have the "hockey stick"?

jfoot13 · January 27, 2008 9:36AM

wish I had one to compare it to... that would be a great die marker

tightbudget · January 27, 2008 9:40AM

That's interesting! Looks like a bent staple to me, but it's not a strike-thru whatever it is.

TexasNationals · January 27, 2008 9:51AM

I have 3, 2 in PCGS holder and one going in tomorrow.

Check out my thead.

1946-S DDO

NIckelCollector · January 27, 2008 10:06AM

I have 3, 2 in PCGS holder and one going in tomorrow.

Wow - there are less than 12 - 15 certified by the big 3. I will be submitting mine to PCGS shortly - probably a MS63 - currently in an ANACS MS64.

bolivarshagnasty · January 27, 2008 10:21AM

Frank, I looked at one of these at the FUN show a couple of weeks ago. The dealer said that it was struck thru wire. His example, if I remember correctly, was full step. That would make it very rare, and the price was pretty high. I wonder if the wire caused the doubling effect, or the dies were engraved double?

speety · January 27, 2008 10:21AM

Very cool, and the NHL all-star game is on right now...my hometown guy has a hat trick, go Nash!

TexasNationals · January 27, 2008 10:42AM

It is a die crack, not a strike thru, this is why I think they are so rare, I think the die was pulled very quickly.

TexasNationals · January 27, 2008 10:45AM

yes they all have the hockey stick

razzle · January 27, 2008 10:59AM

I didn't know about those. Thank you for posting, NickelCollector. I'll have to go look.

stephunter · January 27, 2008 12:08PM

I've had a few (Ngc 64,65,66) and they have all had the "hockey stick". By the way Frank, do you have the FS-025 1942 Jefferson? I've seen a few of the FS-026, but not many of the FS-025 variety.

Oh, and by the way, if there are any of you Jefferson collectors that have not see Frank's collection, you should take a moment and check them out. Many pop top coins that will probably never be improved upon. Also, his coins are either nice or extremely nice for the grade.

commoncents05 · January 27, 2008 12:14PM

A very neat variety!

-Paul

bolivarshagnasty · January 27, 2008 1:12PM

TexasNationals, I've never seen die crack that starts and ends so abrubtly. Add to this, the fact that the area is actually a low relief area of the Jeff, not where one normaly finds die cracks. I believe a piece of wire
damaged the die, came out or was removed, and then continued to strike planchets until it was noticed. That is my opinion, let's here some other Jeff enthusiasts opinions! Always willing to learn. Shag
How bout it bigdowgie, got an opinion?

TexasNationals · January 27, 2008 1:24PM

I have heard the die crack theory from 2 experts, at first thist it was die dameage due to a piece of wire, see my original thread, but have been told by 2 experts that is the story.

Just my 2 cents, all I know is that it is a very rare variety.

Jeff

TexasNationals · January 27, 2008 1:27PM

wire didn't cause the doubling, it is a split serif doubled die.

NIckelCollector · January 27, 2008 1:27PM

TexasNationals

I would have guessed the hockey stick is a "struck through wire" (defintion from Coneca)

This coin exhibits an incused thin line from a piece of wire or bristle from a wire brush that came between it and the die. A standard piece of equipment in a machine shop is a wire brush or file card that is used to clean the grooves of a file. The pressman periodically uses the brush to clean the press and the dies when they become clogged with grease and dirt. Falling bristles can find their way into the coining chamber and be struck into a coin. These often appear in a U shape and have been incorrectly called “staples.”

I would defer to an error expert.

bolivarshagnasty

The 2nd coin I examined was the one at the FUN show. It had the same hockey stick and I pointed it out to the dealer. That coin was in an ANACS holder MS65FS would probably grade MS64 in my opinion.

Stephunter

I've had a few (Ngc 64,65,66) and they have all had the "hockey stick". By the way Frank, do you have the FS-025 1942 Jefferson? I've seen a few of the FS-026, but not many of the FS-025 variety.

I have a raw FS-026 but still looking for a FS-025 - have any for sale?

Frank

TexasNationals · January 27, 2008 1:34PM

I ave 2 MS FS-025's one is a 63 at best and the other is a 65 probably, raw going in on the next sub. Sent an 30.3 today and a nice 45P Die #1, along with the 31.5.

stephunter · January 27, 2008 2:42PM

Stephunter

I've had a few (Ngc 64,65,66) and they have all had the "hockey stick". By the way Frank, do you have the FS-025 1942 Jefferson? I've seen a few of the FS-026, but not many of the FS-025 variety.

I have a raw FS-026 but still looking for a FS-025 - have any for sale?

Frank >>

I have just one FS-025 at the moment and I'm haning on to it.

CarlWohlforth · January 27, 2008 2:52PM

<<Oh, and by the way, if there are any of you Jefferson collectors that have not see Frank's collection, you should take a moment and check them out. Many pop top coins that will probably never be improved upon. Also, his coins are either nice or extremely nice for the grade.>>

Please do take stephunter's advice and check out Nickelcollector's collection! It is truly awesome. Once you realize that stephunter has a superb collection you will know how strong the agove recomendaon really is!!!!

BigDowgie · February 14, 2008 10:30AM

Shagnasty,
Always good seeing you, sorry took so long to reply! My opinion of the 1946-S FS31.5 is........I wish I had one! I've been looking hard, but obviously no luck thus far, not even circulated. This wire in the hair seems to be a recent observation. I did find the PCGS# for this variety, it's 38509. Currently, PCGS lists 2-45's, 1-64 and 1-65. One of these days, I'm going to add another to this Pop Report!
Dowgie

BigDowgie · February 23, 2008 6:07AM

It's amazing I didn't do what I tell everyone when they have a question about a particular variety....look at the reference books! In "The Best if the Jefferson Nickel Doubled Die Varieties" 2nd Edition, Wexler & Ribar, shows a picture of the hockey stick. They describe it as being "from an apparent metal object which came between the hub and die during the hubbing." Sound like this crew confirmed that this particular DDO requires the hockey stick to be the real deal!
Dowgie

Jefferson 1946S FS-031.5 - hockey stick?

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