Scammed on eBay

skeeter · January 25, 2008 10:42AM

I got scammed on a raw gold buffalo from a 99% feedback, 74 transaction, 4 year member on eBay. Paypal refunded $200 but I am still out several $. He has since been kicked off eBay and he will not respond to any e-mails. Paypal will not offer any more help. Has anyone had any luck or have any information how to go about getting money back. He lives in Oregon and I am on the east coast.

ahooka454 · January 25, 2008 10:48AM

out him. sorry to hear about that. I havent had anything like this happen. (yet) hopefully it stays that way. good luck.

btw, i like the squirll

rgCoinGuy · January 25, 2008 10:53AM

I agree with ahooka, give us a link to the auction, maybe someone knows the guy or has dealt with them.... sorry to hear about that...

skeeter · January 25, 2008 10:56AM

His eBay name was FANDFCS for Fast and friendly computers

FLBuffaloHunter · January 25, 2008 10:56AM

If the seller had 99% over 74 feedbacks, the transaction should have been covered up to $2,000 in PayPal Buyer Protection. If a seller has less than 50 feedbacks or less than a 98% positive rating, the transaction is covered up to $200.

seatedcoins · January 25, 2008 10:57AM

I'm sorry to hear this. That just came up yesterday. I think the suggestion was to use a credit card for larger purchases. Credit card companies will do a chargeback for the full amount. Am I correct guys?.

skeeter · January 25, 2008 10:59AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250202131063&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=015

rgCoinGuy · January 25, 2008 11:01AM

Link

tmcsr69 · January 25, 2008 11:02AM

I believe your only real chance of recourse will be with paypal. When I was scammed, I went to the police as directed by papal to file a report and my local police wouldn't even take a report. There is a major question about exactly where the crime took place and who has jurisdiction. The stand taken by my local police was that with interent crimes, unless both parties were local, they had no jurisdiction. I hounded paypal for months until they settled with me just to get me to go away. Good Luck to you.

skeeter · January 25, 2008 11:03AM

I paid with a credit card.....through paypal

ozzyfan269 · January 25, 2008 11:04AM

Go to his house with the Sheriff's department.

SFDukie · January 25, 2008 11:05AM

<< I paid with a credit card.....through paypal >>

Get on the phone with your credit card company. They may refund your money.

rgCoinGuy · January 25, 2008 11:05AM

You should be suspicious on sellers like this, it looks like a hijacked account because of no activity in quite a while, and you can't tell what they sold before because their last listings were so long ago. On expensive items like this, I would NOT do a buy it now for a buyer with this history, even if it was good at the time percentage wise, for more than you are protected for by ebay. If you paid by credit card through paypal, contact your credit card company and have them stop payment for you.

edited to add: its called a chargeback, not a stop payment through the credit card company, and they should be able to do this, also, do what the others have stated and start a fraud investigation with your local police department, that will help you in case the credit card company wants some paperwork.

Russ · January 25, 2008 11:05AM

You're not the only one that got ripped off. Looks like a hijacked account.

Russ, NCNE

Connecticoin · January 25, 2008 11:05AM

If you used a credit card for your Paypal, dispute the charge with your CC company.

Russ · January 25, 2008 11:09AM

<< If the seller had 99% over 74 feedbacks, the transaction should have been covered up to $2,000 in PayPal Buyer Protection. If a seller has less than 50 feedbacks or less than a 98% positive rating, the transaction is covered up to $200. >>

It appears that, unfortunately, the seller got a neg that put him below 98% right about the time the OP BINed the coin.

Skeeter,

You didn't think something was up when you were BINing the coin for only $750?

Russ, NCNE

skeeter · January 25, 2008 11:10AM

He had 99% feedback when I bought one........while I was waiting I noticed he had been left neg feedback and I contacted that member and he got the full amount back because the seller had money in his paypal account. He had 4 more buffalo's listed after I bought one that all sold in a short period of time.

DUIGUY · January 25, 2008 11:10AM

<< I paid with a credit card.....through paypal >>

When you get your statement file an item not recieved through your credit card company. Keep the $200.00 and use it to stimulate the economy. OR put the $200.00 into your favorite cherity.

TWQG · January 25, 2008 11:11AM

spot gold was about $835 at the time.

ahooka454 · January 25, 2008 11:12AM

Well I dont really know how to go about fixing this, but I would like to think He would make it right. Please let us know what happens. Luckily on the few big purchases I have made on ebay, Ive lucked out and had some wonderful sellers. From now on, anything over afew hundred will be with my credit card. Good luck and sorry your going through this.

Russ · January 25, 2008 11:14AM

<< but I would like to think He would make it right. >>

The seller was a scammer and the auctions were fraudulent.

Russ, NCNE

roadrunner · January 25, 2008 11:17AM

When I was scammed, I went to the police as directed by papal to file a report and my local police wouldn't even take a report. There is a major question about exactly where the crime took place and who has jurisdiction. The stand taken by my local police was that with interent crimes, unless both parties were local, they had no jurisdiction. I hounded paypal for months until they settled with me just to get me to go away. Good Luck to you.

I had a similar situation recently where both my local police and the out of state police would not act. Spoofbay was entirely useless and even has the seller still up and alive. I finally went to the police where my PO Box is located (thank heavens I did my mail in a town where there is still some common sense). They were happy to take down a report and forward it to the out of staters. Hopefully this will get some action taken. The USPS could care less about internet fraud as well. In the old days your local postmasters would actually help you out. Now they have you file on line complaints at the Internet Fraud Site. There your complaint gets lost among thousands others where you are assured of nothing ever being done. Stick with the police.

roadrunner

skeeter · January 25, 2008 11:27AM

Gold was about $815 or so on Jan 1

jamakin · January 25, 2008 11:37AM

Gold was @835 Jan 1
Too good to be true is alway a danger sign.

TomB · January 25, 2008 11:41AM

I saw these auctions as soon as they were listed and I couldn't get away from them quickly enough; they just really looked like someone would get scammed. It's too bad it appears to have happened.

ahooka454 · January 25, 2008 11:42AM

i may read some threads hear in disgust when talking about scammers, but man with out it guys like me and others would be ripped all the time.

Thank you everyone that has posted a scam and/or a scammer. It is making a difference.

doughmaking · January 25, 2008 11:49AM

I would dispute the fact that when you PAID for it he had 99% feedback. So you should be covered under paypal... It was a buy it now, you cant know he wouldnt send it to you. Follow up with paypal again...They should protect you.
Good Luck

smokincoin · January 25, 2008 11:54AM

<< btw, i like the squirll >>

It's not a squirrel AHOOKA! It's a rat in disguise!

ahooka454 · January 25, 2008 11:56AM

hahahahaha

bestday · January 26, 2008 1:46AM

<< 

<< but I would like to think He would make it right. >>

The seller was a scammer and the auctions were fraudulent.

Russ, NCNE >>

How do "hijacked" accounts happen ?..Does ebay have any safeguards to prevent this sort of nonsense?
It seems odd.... some sellers get scammed by the buyers claiming they never got the item and then , also want a refund even though the buyers did get the item.

GUINZO1975 · January 26, 2008 1:48AM

Guys,

Let me offer a piece of advice. Paypal will ALWAYS SCREW YOU! When you purchase anything on ebay, ALWAYS PAY VIA CREDIT CARD. Paypal does not care if you lose money. Their seller protection is a bunch of crap. Every time I paid via funds from paypal or my bank and did not receive the item, PAYPAL SCREWED ME!

ALWAYS PAY VIA CREDIT CARD.

tmcsr69 · January 26, 2008 2:02AM

<< Guys,

Let me offer a piece of advice. Paypal will ALWAYS SCREW YOU! When you purchase anything on ebay, ALWAYS PAY VIA CREDIT CARD. Paypal does not care if you lose money. Their seller protection is a bunch of crap. Every time I paid via funds from paypal or my bank and did not receive the item, PAYPAL SCREWED ME!

ALWAYS PAY VIA CREDIT CARD. >>

I agree 100%!

DennisH · January 26, 2008 2:09AM

Ditto with always using a credit card.

options26 · January 26, 2008 2:14AM

Thank goodness you used a credit card. It is much easier to dispute the charge and get your money back. Do it right away, they will credit your account while they investigate.

57loaded · January 26, 2008 2:43AM

<< 

<< If the seller had 99% over 74 feedbacks, the transaction should have been covered up to $2,000 in PayPal Buyer Protection. If a seller has less than 50 feedbacks or less than a 98% positive rating, the transaction is covered up to $200. >>

It appears that, unfortunately, the seller got a neg that put him below 98% right about the time the OP BINed the coin.

Skeeter,

You didn't think something was up when you were BINing the coin for only $750?

Russ, NCNE >>

i would have seen that too and checked activity for like sales and recent activity/feedback.

Russ · January 26, 2008 3:02AM

<< How do "hijacked" accounts happen ? Does ebay have any safeguards to prevent this sort of nonsense? >>

In most cases, it's because the user got snookered by a phishing eMail and handed over their login information to the scammer. In some cases, it's because they have a trojan on their system passing along information. Not much eBay can do about user stupidity.

Russ, NCNE

BBN · January 26, 2008 3:07AM

When I buy gold Bufalos I usually just go with reputable sources like Gainesville coins. That's the only ebayer I get them from. This seller looked have sold coins in the past too. I see yours and then someone else negged him from a $800 gold buffalo. Could be hjacked, but on the other hand it looks like a seller gone bad hat was desperate to get some quick cash so made a couple of bogus auctions.

moonshine · January 26, 2008 3:43AM

sorry this happened to you - that is a very large bummer. I would definitely disput PP and contact CC company. PP should pay - or sue them for false advertising.

BigE · January 26, 2008 3:58AM

Where is this guy in Oregon?-------------------------BigE

Wolf359 · January 26, 2008 4:08AM

<< Guys,

Let me offer a piece of advice. Paypal will ALWAYS SCREW YOU! When you purchase anything on ebay, ALWAYS PAY VIA CREDIT CARD. Paypal does not care if you lose money. Their seller protection is a bunch of crap. Every time I paid via funds from paypal or my bank and did not receive the item, PAYPAL SCREWED ME!

ALWAYS PAY VIA CREDIT CARD. >>

Yup.

Just charge back on the credit card, never ever go thru paypal.

Barry · January 26, 2008 4:18AM

Call the small claims court in the guy's town. Find out if they will act on an out of state judgment. If so, you can sue him in small claims court where you live, then file the judgment with the sheriff in his jurisdiction.

JimDepot · January 26, 2008 7:30PM

Same kinda thing here?

bestday · January 27, 2008 3:37AM

<< 

<< How do "hijacked" accounts happen ? Does ebay have any safeguards to prevent this sort of nonsense? >>

In most cases, it's because the user got snookered by a phishing eMail and handed over their login information to the scammer. In some cases, it's because they have a trojan on their system passing along information. Not much eBay can do about user stupidity.

Russ, NCNE >>

Hey Russ... the account gets hijacked, where is the ebay security to prevent the hijacked funds from being redirected to the hijacker ?

Scammed on eBay

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