Jefferson Presidential error submission results

stckplunge · January 25, 2008 2:44AM

So, awhile ago I posted about three Jefferson proof presidential errors. I submitted them for review and here is the cryptic results. Can someone please decipher this so I know exactly what I have?

001 2007S THOMAS JEFFERSON DOUBLE STRUCK 1ST O/C
002 2007S THOMAS JEFFERSON DOUBLE STRUCK 1ST O/C
003 2007S THOMAS JEFFERSON DOUBLE STRUCK W/ROTATION

Any ideas on value?

Jeff

Whitby · January 25, 2008 2:50AM

Can you post a pic oor 2, you lucky lucky man.

stckplunge · January 25, 2008 3:17AM

Here is a picture of the coin before submission. I annotated it a bit, but apparently missed some of the errors attributed to it by NGC (i.e. rotation)

Crazy double strike Jefferson crooked rotated nose

Whitby · January 25, 2008 3:18AM

I cant get the pic to display. DARN!

stckplunge · January 25, 2008 3:23AM

Sorry - had too many "http's" - Try again.

Whitby · January 25, 2008 3:29AM

YOU SUCK!

Thats a cool error.

I would never sell it, but IMO, you would get a nice profit, assuming you spent 15 bucks on the set to get it in the first place. IMPRESSIVE.

I wonder what the error folks think?

FredWeinberg · January 25, 2008 5:25AM

PCGS or NGC ???

stckplunge · January 25, 2008 5:29AM

They are in NGC slabs - I was going to send them for PCGS but wasnt sure what they were and it was easier for me to submit to NGC.

tahoe98 · January 25, 2008 6:34AM

<< I cant get the pic to display. DARN! >>

try right click then 'open in new window'

Whitby · January 25, 2008 6:38AM

I did so, the OP changed the URL and I was able to view the pic. Its a COOL Error!

IF its sold, it should get some nice pricing.

Whitby · January 25, 2008 6:40AM

<< They are in NGC slabs - I was going to send them for PCGS but wasnt sure what they were and it was easier for me to submit to NGC. >>

Have you tried looking on the bay for similiar coins?

I did not see one yet, but the ones that were errors got some great prices.

You are very lucky. Was this just a normal Mint Set purchase?

stckplunge · January 25, 2008 8:08AM

I have purchased over 1500 sets of presidential proof coins. I kept all the wierd ones to the side and just recently went back to look them over. In addition to these three errors (which incidentally were in three consecutive sets contained in a shipment of 80 sets) I also received a "vertically misaligned dies" error (John Adams). The John Adams error was featured in an NGC newsletter. I have 3 more of those still sitting in the sets but I do not believe they will qualify as error as the magnitude of the misalignment is far less than the one I submitted to NGC. Maybe later, I will take a chance and send those in.

Here is a scan of the Adams Error

The error is hard to see on this scan because the error is vertical. If you looked at the coin from edge on it would resemble a wedge - much thicker on one side than the other.

Whitby · January 25, 2008 8:11AM

<< I have purchased over 1500 sets of presidential proof coins. I kept all the wierd ones to the side and just recently went back to look them over. In addition to these three errors (which incidentally were in three consecutive sets contained in a shipment of 80 sets) I also received a "vertically misaligned dies" error (John Adams). The John Adams error was featured in an NGC newsletter. I have 3 more of those still sitting in the sets but I do not believe they will qualify as error as the magnitude of the misalignment is far less than the one I submitted to NGC. Maybe later, I will take a chance and send those in.

Here is a scan of the Adams Error

The error is hard to see on this scan because the error is vertical. If you looked at the coin from edge on it would resemble a wedge - much thicker on one side than the other. >>

coolio!

GoldenEyeNumismatics · January 25, 2008 8:17AM

Those are some very neat errors!

Whitby · January 25, 2008 8:25AM

<< Those are some very neat errors! >>

No kidding. Personally, I love the Pres series. I will be looking for the 2008 Proofs in Feb of this year from what I can tell.

I would love to get a proof error. I would never sell it for sure.

I just enjoy the small dollar idea. I even went so far as to get some coins from D Carr.

errormaven · January 25, 2008 10:31PM

They're neat, but they're not double-strikes. They're either extreme examples of machine doubling or examples of ejection impact doubling. The kind of doubling seen on top of the rim is quite common on Washington dollars and is also seen on a smattering of other issues. There's an article on this kind of doubling in the Sept/Oct 2007 issue of Errorscope. Here's a typical example currently running on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/DOUBLE-DIE-STRIKE-ERROR-GEORGE-WASHINGTON-DOLLAR-COIN_W0QQitemZ230216977522QQihZ013QQcategoryZ524QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If the first strike was off-center (as NGC claims) then the coin would have had an enlarged diameter and would not have been able to fit back into the collar for the second strike. If this is a double-strike, then why is there no doubling on the obverse face, apart from the damaged nose? Finally, double-strikes never show the pattern of doubling seen on this coin -- deep indentations and metal pushed around. On a true double-strike you should see a flattened first strike and sharp but incomplete penetration of first strike details through the second strike. You just don't see that on your coins.

Whitby · January 26, 2008 2:27AM

<< They're neat, but they're not double-strikes. They're either extreme examples of machine doubling or examples of ejection impact doubling. The kind of doubling seen on top of the rim is quite common on Washington dollars and is also seen on a smattering of other issues. There's an article on this kind of doubling in the Sept/Oct 2007 issue of Errorscope. Here's a typical example currently running on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/DOUBLE-DIE-STRIKE-ERROR-GEORGE-WASHINGTON-DOLLAR-COIN_W0QQitemZ230216977522QQihZ013QQcategoryZ524QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If the first strike was off-center (as NGC claims) then the coin would have had an enlarged diameter and would not have been able to fit back into the collar for the second strike. If this is a double-strike, then why is there no doubling on the obverse face? Finally, double-strikes never show the pattern of doubling seen on this coin -- deep indentations and metal pushed around. On a true double-strike you should see a flattened first strike and sharp but incomplete penetration of first strike details through the second strike. You just don't see that on your coins. >>

So what are these errors in any sense? I thought machine doubling was not an error.

Please let me know.

errormaven · January 26, 2008 4:20AM

That's a matter of opinion. Alan Herbert does not consider machine doubling an error. I do. In fact it can result in dramatic doubling, as seen in this article:

http://www.minterrornews.com/news-1-30-07-doubling.html

While ejection impact doubling is not an error in the strict sense, I still see it as highly collectible. Any time an impression is made by the die, it's of interest, at least to me.

ahooka454 · January 26, 2008 4:22AM

nice and you suck! i have afew adams double edge and like them. well a small to medium hoard of them.

Jefferson Presidential error submission results

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