Help me grade this Morgan

Moonbiter · January 21, 2008 12:14AM

Sorry for the poor photos, I'm still trying to learn to take coin photos. I do have a few questions though. This appears to be a weak strike Morgan in MS condition. That said, can a weakly struck coin even make MS-65? From what I've read, it can't, but I'm no expert. I like this coin due to the die breaks on the reverse and whatever is happening around Liberty's lips. Is this a VAM (obverse)? My guess is it isn't because I can't find anything on this.

Here are the pics. My guess is it's MS-63 but I'm new to grading AND I've never dealt with a weak strike before, please help me out.

Thanks

cmerlo1 · January 21, 2008 12:16AM

I like it as a 65...may go higher.

AUandAG · January 21, 2008 12:22AM

IMO, strike affects eye appeal. It can grade high, mid 60's, with a weak strike. Your's is nice and I'd say
a 64.

bob

Moonbiter · January 21, 2008 12:54AM

I meant to say MS-64 not 63. I could see this coin going 65 but I wasn't sure if the strike was too weak for 65.

tradedollarnut · January 21, 2008 12:56AM

Based on the images: high AU with a slightly funky look to the surfaces - could be bodybag material.

Doogy · January 21, 2008 12:56AM

<< <i>Based on the images: high AU with a slightly funky look to the surfaces - could be bodybag material. >>

STONE · January 21, 2008 12:57AM

From the pics I'm seeing AU details and not MS details (not a problem coin).

I could just be way wrong and it could just be the lighting.

seemyauction · January 21, 2008 1:13AM

The coin looks nice......what ever grade you put on it.

Moonbiter · January 21, 2008 1:13AM

I was wondering if I would get some AU guesses. I know the lighting is bad and it's hard to judge based on the pictures so I'll try and provide some detail wording here.

The hair about the ear is definitely flat BUT it doesn't look worn. HOWEVER the hair along the face line is flatter. I'm not sure if this is all caused by a weak strike or wear. The reverse looks MS except for the eagles breast, but once again this looks more like a weak strike then wear.

This coin looks to have more bag wear then actual circulation wear in hand. The field marks are bag marks but it also looks like areas of the field weren't completely struck, or the die was getting old.

AUandAG · January 21, 2008 1:27AM

One of the first indications of wear would be the flattening or disappearance of the "slag" from the die break
in United and States on the reverse. Your coin clearly has the die break slag and thus I'd say its MS for sure.

bob

DennisH · January 21, 2008 1:31AM

MS64

robkool · January 21, 2008 1:45AM

MS64...

Rollerman · January 21, 2008 3:30AM

I'm uncomfortable with the milky spots, but if not for that, I'd say solid MS63 with a good shot at 64, but no higher.
Best Wishes,
Pete

jmcu12 · January 21, 2008 3:49AM

soft strike and I agree that I think I can see some rub on the high points. I will say AU58 or MS62 depending upon the time of day and day of the week; oh and if the wind is blowing from south to north in a westerly fashion; on a full moon, with low tide...etc.

clarkbar04 · January 21, 2008 3:50AM

ms64 maybe, depending on whats up with the surfaces.

mattniss · January 21, 2008 4:01AM

I'm not feeling it... looks like a low MS, tops. 63 would be a stretch.

JustaRookie · January 21, 2008 4:31AM

Solid 63 IMO with a shot at 64. It definitely is a weak strike and does lack some detail that I feel is necessary to go higher than a 63. Good luck with it if you decide to submit it.

Moonbiter · January 21, 2008 4:37AM

Not looking at submission. Looking at it as a trade material. It's my buddies coin and we are trying to determine a value for it. We did some transactions yesterday, and I'm considering taking this coin as part of the trade.

CalGold · January 21, 2008 4:46AM

It is at best an commond date MS coin with a pancake strike, or a lightly circulated one, and in either case is marred by spotting. I do not recall seeing an 86-P that poorly struck before, which could mean that the flat points are due to wear. The marks by the mouth appear to be clash marks. To be honest, nice 86-Ps are a dime a dozen and that one is not nice. If someone was throwing that into a deal, I doubt I would value it much above melt.

CG

Coxe · January 21, 2008 5:07AM

I agree, based on the images, that coin is at best an exceedingly common one with a value too low to suggest slabbing (if it wouldn't bag). Not a clashed variety of any importance either. I could ID it positively on the legend cracks but it is an exercise of "why bother".

Myqqy · January 21, 2008 5:10AM

I think it's a 58, or a 62- either way, the eye appeal is low, and I think you find a much more appealing example for just a bit more money..

JJM · January 21, 2008 5:11AM

weak 63

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