Sell your high-end (.5) cards immediately, since the market will over react and bid up the prices early on. Then buy them back when reality sets in and the true value settles through the dust...
Each card will still stand on its own merits. All cards have some flaws. I am certain that we will see some whole grade cards better then the .5 counterpart. As it is now, we see some 7's that look nicer then some 8's and some 8's that look nicer then some 9's. Technical grading does that. What we ll need to do is allow the market to work. It always does.
If I had 10 PSA cards of Mickey Mantle. All of the same yr and grade I could still find one that would be IMO the best and one that would be the worst, with the other 8 filling in the other spots! Rarely are 2 cards the same.
The market will tell us what the spread will be between grades.
It will also tell us what the spread will be between 2 identically graded cards too. The one that has the nicer 'eye appeal' will out sell it's counterpart most of the time.
I have no idea how the market will react to this and I doubt anyone else does too.
<< <i>TM- If you are putting the good of your collection over the good of the hobby, then you are being selfish and truly care nothing about the hobby >>
This is laughable. If you care so much about the good of the hobby.....then donate your whole collection to your local museum for display. Of course the good majority of people that get cards graded are doing it for investment reasons....why else would you spend thousands of dollars on pieces of cardboard. I know....for the good of the hobby you want your cards preserved for everyone to see!
I hate it because it complicates my decision-making and frankly I am not in the hobby for its complications. I paid whatever dollars to grade cards, and I now I have to decide whether or not to pay more money just to find out if the original money I paid accurately depicted what I now have. Of course I actually run the risk of spending more dollars to find out that what I now have is actually what I really have, or I could get lucky and could possibly have more than what I was originally told I have. And if I am damned perceptive. I will be fortunate enough to have a little bit more than what I actually was told I had. Anybody who cannot appreciate a business model that gets more money by enticing folks to , pay more for a service that they have already paid for is losing sight of the software industry, which basically exists on that premise.
I'll neither sell my collection nor abandon PSA (although I would like my submission back before the rush). Gosh, I admire the hutzpah and we will all eventually put this bruhaha in our rear view mirrors.
When all the hoopla is over in a few months we will still be asking the same questions of our cards. Will this get a 9 or .5 bump, This 8 I have is a high end, This 9 should be a 7 and so on.
<< <i>When all the hoopla is over in a few months we will still be asking the same questions of our cards. Will this get a 9 or .5 bump, This 8 I have is a high end, This 9 should be a 7 and so on. >>
Exactly. That has been my point all along. Now there is just more variation. If anybody think that a "new" PSA 8 could not be a 9 on any other day is fooling themselves.
Until PSA decides to start quantifying their grading system (i.e., BGS subgrades), the grading process at PSA remains speculative and subjective.
I never thought the half grade was bad, I just think the way PSA went about it was bad. PSA should have given a a few months notice so people could decide if they wanted to wait for the new grading system. The person paying the money should have had the choice. I have a large submission in right now that PSA has refused to grade under the new system. I have a bunch of high dollar PSA cards that PSA says have to be sent in on the $60 per card express service. These cards have already been graded on the Express Service so why the $60 charge again. If these cards or any other cards, in PSAs opinion, are not worth the half grade then we are charged the grading fee and get nothing. I am not quitting PSA like others have said they would. I will go through all my cards and resubmit all cards I think can make the half grade. I am sure I will be disappointed when I get the wrong grader and only 10% of my cards get the half grade after I psy PSA a few thousand dollars to regrade the cards that I already paid them to grade.
Beginning today we are instituting a .5 system of grading. We will not have a slab review. Only those subnissions that are sent in raw will get this benefit of the new scale. (Of course then you would have to crack and re submit)
Would this at least have been better from a PR point of view?
I mean it is fairly obvious that 80% of th people here dislike the way this was done.
I won't call Joe a liar (maybe he did get positive feedback) from those he spoke to.
I just have to wonder if raw was the way to go here.
Any thoughts?
I know I can just see it now, guy has a 10k Cobb and ruins it trying to get the bump!!
CDsNuts, if you're fairly sickened by many of us, why not go down to the store and get some Pepto Bismol, I think about 5.50 should cover it. More or less, give or take .50
<< <i>Clearly all you collectors who buy cards "for the love of the hobby" really only care about what your cards are worth and nothing more. >>
Lee, this isn't true. Maybe for some but not for me. I don't like this move as it has been suggested that PSA may change flips which will drive me nuts (i.e., mismatched cards in my collection). I don't sell my cards. I may have sold five cards in the last five years. I have given away 20 times that number of cards. Heck, I currently have no less than 16 1977 Pete Roses graded in PSA 8 and 5 in PSA 9. And for some obsessive-compulsive reason, I like them to all be holdered the exact same way. In addition, I don't want to have two different grading scales used to evaluate my collection (i.e., future submissions). It is not about what my cards are worth. It is about my need for consistency and accuracy. It will cost me quite a bit of money to re-evaluate (or Lord forbid, reholder to new flips). How many of the aforementioned 77 Roses might be 8.5s? I guess there's only one way for me to find out and it is going to cost me. I think you are using far too broad of a paintbrush with your analysis here. There are other ramifications to this move by PSA aside from the perceived value of the cards. >>
I agree, Bobby.
I hate the half-grade idea and I'm by no means an "investor." I build low/mid-grade PSA vintage sets for the most part with some low-cost PSA non-sport sets no one seems to care about. Like a LOT of people, I don't have wads of cash to blow on cards so I guess you could say I build sets in the poor-man's areana.
I also rarely sell cards...particularly graded ones. However, I'd like to know that when it does come time to sell my collection, I will not take a loss. My 7's and 8's probably won't bring the same prices that I paid for them. Granted, over the next ten years or so, I should be able to at least break even if it comes time to sell my cards as prices mature. But what if something happens before then and I need to sell my collection? I...like most "run of the mill" collectors are left with a big chunk of monetary loss because of this half-grade crap. When you put hard earned money, time, resources, etc. into building the best collection you can afford it's pretty unnerving to know that PSA's (a company we've all been loyal to) greed is screwing you over for it.
And the whole deal about this helping out the hobby is BS as well. Who is PSA to decide it'll help the hobby? That's up to the COLLECTOR'S, who have clearly spoken that this is BS. And yes, we are all thinking of our money and collections right now and not "the future of the hobby in the long run" because it's simply psychology. YOU have to be satisfied before you can worry about ME...and it appears that this new system isn't going to satisfy the majority of INDIVIDUAL collectors.
On another note, one has to realize that a HUMONGOUS percentage of collectors that are here to stay are set builders. And to be a set builder, you've got to be at least a little obsessive compulsive. Just the action of collecting, cataloging, storing, etc. a set makes you so. And in being a little obsessive compulsive, you HATE change. If PSA set builders wanted "mid-grades" they would go with a company that does it. Simply put, if PSA had STARTED with half-grades, it would've been just fine. But you can't change the rules of the game at halftime. It messes the players up and makes them not want to play anymore.
BTW, Why is it that all of these hordes of "collectors" who supposedly are in favor of this new system aren't posting that? I see some on here, but they are obviously the minority.
viking- Congrats. You were the 1000th person to make a really bad .5 joke that wasn't funny in any way.
Stevedoobie- It's selfish a-holes like you that only care about yourself and your collection that brought the hobby marketplace to where it is today, where half the sellers on ebay are scam artists, 90% of ebayers hold feedback hostage, and everybody overgrades their raw cards to make a few extra bucks. Personally, I enjoy collecting and I want to collect into my old age, so what's good for the hobby is good for me and everybody else who collects. If I lose a few bucks in the short run, so be it.
mbonth- I wholeheartedly agree that it was crap for PSA to spring it on us without any warning, and do it the way they did. PSA might have the worst PR of any publicly traded company.
I think everyone knows that not all 7s, 8s, whatever are created equally and we pay accordingly.
How many times have you heard:
BUY THE CARD, NOT THE HOLDER.
If you followed that simple rule, the .5 will not affect you because the price has already been established.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
If any 1955 Topps collectors are leaving the hobby because of the .5 grading system, please let me know so I can liquidate your inventory. Thanks in advance.
<< <i>Stevedoobie- It's selfish a-holes like you that only care about yourself and your collection that brought the hobby marketplace to where it is today, where half the sellers on ebay are scam artists, 90% of ebayers hold feedback hostage, and everybody overgrades their raw cards to make a few extra bucks. Personally, I enjoy collecting and I want to collect into my old age, so what's good for the hobby is good for me and everybody else who collects. If I lose a few bucks in the short run, so be it. >>
Are you blind to reality? Do you think PSA is making these changes for the "good of the hobby"? They are making changes for one reason alone.......$$$$$$. I'm happy that you enjoy collecting cards and I hope you continue to do so. Just because someone sells some cards on ebay and makes a profit does not mean they are selfish. Peace!
If any 1955 Topps collectors are leaving the hobby because of the .5 grading system, please let me know so I can liquidate your inventory. Thanks in advance.
<< <i>i need the 50 bowman fbs if anybodys leaving , give you 2.00 each, market crash ya know, sky fell or something >>
ha ha
Why didn't people get this upset when I mentioned that PSA slabs 2 of Cal's minor league team sets with a ton of inaccurate information? Did the integrity of the hobby not matter in that regard?
Rube, I don't have any 50 Bowmans but I've got one hell of a deal for you on some 1991 Pro Set cards. They look like strong 7's to me but I'll bet you could get 7.5's with the new grading system. This is a goldmine....better act quickly!
With all due respect when i first read your thread I had no idea if you were serious or not. For the past few months (at the least) you have been involved in many spoof threads and spoof replies. Besides the Gary expose I never really know when you are serious anymore.
stevie- I profit off cards as well, in fact that's the only thing I use PSA for. PSA's intentions have nothing to do with this; If they think they're gonna make money, I could care less. My point is that buyers and sellers can deal over the internet with more confidence and that's definitely a good thing. But if you are going to put your own financial interests above something that would be good for everybody, well let's just say that's a prime example of why so much messed up stuff happens in this country on a daily basis.
<< <i>But if you are going to put your own financial interests above something that would be good for everybody, well let's just say that's a prime example of why so much messed up stuff happens in this country on a daily basis. >>
Single guys, let this be a lesson to all of us.
This is what happens to you after marriage.
You become considerate and think of others.
Bah humbug.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
This post is not directed to any one person on this site.IMO Whatever Psa has done in the past and will implement in the future ,someone will most likely *itch about it one way or the other.The fact is that plenty of you will still send your cards in to get graded regardless if they grade by half points or there grades start looking like gasoline prices on a 9/10 of a scale,and if thats what you desire then,hey thats cool. You should do what your comfortable with. If not you dont have to create a fuss over every little thing, Just move on. Take a look at this site the past few months , its more of a *itching parlor than anything else. The truth is PSA will do whatever benefits them and not the consumer.The general public has become to fragile IMO,for example if you dont like the show on tv , dont watch it ,dont like a comedian dont pay to go see him. Seems like everyone has a opinion and no one can have a different one or it deeply sickens them. what a joke ! maybe a sportscard psychologist will help, maybe do something in your life that will bring more of a reward in your life than collecting cardboard.
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<< <i>But if you are going to put your own financial interests above something that would be good for everybody, well let's just say that's a prime example of why so much messed up stuff happens in this country on a daily basis. >>
Single guys, let this be a lesson to all of us.
This is what happens to you after marriage.
You become considerate and think of others.
Bah humbug.
>>
Hence why I got divorced, I enjoyed being an inconsiderate a-hole and I am finally happy again.
Lee, your original post made some very good and legit points. I don't think PSA making the switch to the .5 system is a smart move for the "industry leader." If it ain't broke, why worry about it? But then again, business is business....JMO
Collecting Interests: Ripken, Brooks & Frank Robinson, Old Orioles, Sweet Spot Autos, older Redskins - Riggins, Sonny, Baugh etc and anything that catches my eye.
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<< <i>I enjoyed being an inconsiderate a-hole and I am finally happy again. >>
Good times.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i> It seems to me that alot of people on these boards are in collecting for the money and not the hobby. I am in it for the hobby, have been and always will be. >>
Several of you have made statements similar to this one throughout these recent threads I have to admit..this attitude bothers me. Using myself as an example....I have collected for over 30 years..since I was 6 years old. Over the years, I have collected football...baseball...and whatever made me happy. In the 80's, I collected Dallas Cowboys..and in the late eighties/early nineties vintage football grabbed my heart. I love vintage football..primarily 40's and 50's era. I buy books..and yes...I do read them..about the 40/50's era football. I just picked up one about the Steagles football team during WWII..the combined team of the eagles and steelers....anyways....I am in it for the passion and strong interest of vintage football, BUT yes I care about my collection holding value...and hopefully gaining value over time. With the prices I have to pay for graded bowman football, I definately care about the financial aspects as well. If vintage cards were worth pennies...and new cards were worth hundreds...I would still be collecting vintage. To chastise someone for caring about the "money" they have invested is simply wrong in my opinion. Yes...I used the dreaded word "invested." I do consider my collection an investment....an investment that has provided me so much joy, and hopefully will provide my children or grandchildren an inheritance of value...because It won't be me selling them. OK I am done rambling,
Yeah, I want my collection to hold value too. That's why I want the hobby to strive rather than cannibalize itself because its internal systems are screwed up to the point where everybody sees an angle to make a few bucks. Well today, one of those angles has been shut down to a pretty good degree. What's good for the hobby is good for your collection.
Also, I have news for all those guys who have low pop PSA 9s and are worried because they won't hold their high speculative value: Your cards are going down no matter what happens. The market will correct itself whether PSA has half grades or not. PSA just closed one of the loopholes people use to make money from flipping cards, which will keep prices down, which is good for the hobby.
Also, I have news for all those guys who have low pop PSA 9s and are worried because they won't hold their high speculative value: Your cards are going down no matter what happens. The market will correct itself whether PSA has half grades or not. PSA just closed one of the loopholes people use to make money from flipping cards, which will keep prices down, which is good for the hobby. >>
Lee, people will always be flipping cards whether they have a half grade or not , in my opinion the low pop 9's will go up in value because there will be more 8.5 grades now instead of sliders given the grade of 9, and there will be no 9.5 grade, so i don't really see to much of an effect on PSA 9 and PSA 10 cards.
also please call me stupid, but what loophole did PSA just close, you will still have the sellers saying high end PSA 8.5 this could be a 9?
It's not completely closed, but the loophole I'm speaking of is the crack and resubmit game where guys take a PSA 8 and keep cracking until it gets a 9 that sells for 20 times more. Now the motivattion to do so is not there as much because the card will most likely never get higher than an 8.5. Bridging a gap between the ultra-premium low pop 9 price and the "you see them every day on ebay" PSA 8 price takes away a lot of the motivation to repeatedly pay grading fees and go for that big score.
The new scale will reduce the number of crackouts, which is a game that's been killing the hobby and getting worse as the years go by.
Let me attack it from another direction: Any time you can buy a card from a knowledgeable person, not change the card in any way, and resell it for 20 times what you bought it for to another knowledgeable person, there is a problem that needs to be fixed.
im glad i got a bunch of 8's in my set if i ever .5 them, ill doa test after i see what other get back,send in my joe perry 8,if it get bumped cool,if not they cant lower it ,cause im not cracking them out sunk enuff $ into it- this to will pass
To many subs and incompenent graders make alot of unhappy campers. I will never submit a card and cannot see why anyone would pursue a graded set. Raw forever here. It just doesn't make sen$e. JMO
"Any time you can buy a card from a knowledgeable person, not change the card in any way, and resell it for 20 times what you bought it for to another knowledgeable person, there is a problem that needs to be fixed. "
Gradeflation has been cooking on the coin side for years.
The market wants the highest grades, and it is always going to be willing to pay for them.
PSA/PCGS are in the "value-added" business.
PSA's BIG bulk-submitters have been unable to maximize their returns; under the new scheme they get some relief. Those previously worthless 8s will now AT LEAST break even for the BIGs.
Where one stands on the .5 issue has almost everything to do with where they sit.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
PSA is a company run to make money. Often, they will implement a policy that is good for them and bad for collectors. This is not one of them, and in fact may hurt them financially because of far fewer crack and resubs
------------- PSA like EVERY company is in it for profit. This will bring them a lot more business. If it wasn't about profit, they wouldn't do it... It is a marketing decision.
I just got done looking through my 1957 graded baseball set. I have 212 cards I think could get a bump. So lets say I send them all in with declared SMR values for review. I estimate the costs to be around $2,000 (my yearly annual card budget, so I won't be able to buy any other cards in 2008). Next I wait 2-3 months to get my 212 cards back and only 90 get a bump - I have just wasted my yearly budget for 75 7.5's and 15 8.5's which are probably not worth much more than than their current 7 or 8 values. What a money grubbing scam. Thanks P$A
<< <i>This post is not directed to any one person on this site.IMO Whatever Psa has done in the past and will implement in the future ,someone will most likely *itch about it one way or the other.The fact is that plenty of you will still send your cards in to get graded regardless if they grade by half points or there grades start looking like gasoline prices on a 9/10 of a scale,and if thats what you desire then,hey thats cool. You should do what your comfortable with. If not you dont have to create a fuss over every little thing, Just move on. Take a look at this site the past few months , its more of a *itching parlor than anything else. The truth is PSA will do whatever benefits them and not the consumer.The general public has become to fragile IMO,for example if you dont like the show on tv , dont watch it ,dont like a comedian dont pay to go see him. Seems like everyone has a opinion and no one can have a different one or it deeply sickens them. what a joke ! maybe a sportscard psychologist will help, maybe do something in your life that will bring more of a reward in your life than collecting cardboard. >>
But I thought people collected cards to complain. Complain about the dealers, about the card cases, about not getting good cards from packs, about the price of cards, about other collectors, about not pulling that 1 of 1, that they make the 1 of 1's, that........
Mark
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Let me attack it from another direction: Any time you can buy a card from a knowledgeable person, not change the card in any way, and resell it for 20 times what you bought it for to another knowledgeable person, there is a problem that needs to be fixed. >>
Great statement and I absolutely agree. It't not the .5 point grading system that I have the issue with - it's having to pay twice for something that should have been done right the first time. If they offered a FREE review service do you really think anybody would have a problem with the new grading scale? Absolutely not, and it would accepted by everyone. Who would actually say, "No, I don't want my cards reviewed to see if they could possibly grade higher?" However, the fact that we have to pay AGAIN just shows that this is only an attempt to drain more money out of us. Don't get me wrong, they are a business and certainly have a right to make a profit - but not from something that should have been done right the first time!
I said this in another thread, but I think it is worth repeating: That's like me paying someone to come cut my grass and after I pay him, he says "Oh by the way, I can cut your grass AGAIN with a more PRECISE blade that will get a lower cut. It's another $30.00."
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If I had 10 PSA cards of Mickey Mantle. All of the same yr and grade I could still find one that would be IMO the best and one that would be the worst, with the other 8 filling in the other spots! Rarely are 2 cards the same.
The market will tell us what the spread will be between grades.
It will also tell us what the spread will be between 2 identically graded cards too. The one that has the nicer 'eye appeal' will out sell it's counterpart most of the time.
I have no idea how the market will react to this and I doubt anyone else does too.
Steve
<< <i>TM- If you are putting the good of your collection over the good of the hobby, then you are being selfish and truly care nothing about the hobby >>
This is laughable. If you care so much about the good of the hobby.....then donate your whole collection to your local museum for display. Of course the good majority of people that get cards graded are doing it for investment reasons....why else would you spend thousands of dollars on pieces of cardboard. I know....for the good of the hobby you want your cards preserved for everyone to see!
I'll neither sell my collection nor abandon PSA (although I would like my submission back before the rush). Gosh, I admire the hutzpah and we will all eventually put this bruhaha in our rear view mirrors.
<< <i>When all the hoopla is over in a few months we will still be asking the same questions of our cards. Will this get a 9 or .5 bump, This 8 I have is a high end, This 9 should be a 7 and so on. >>
Exactly. That has been my point all along. Now there is just more variation. If anybody think that a "new" PSA 8 could not be a 9 on any other day is fooling themselves.
Until PSA decides to start quantifying their grading system (i.e., BGS subgrades), the grading process at PSA remains speculative and subjective.
Beginning today we are instituting a .5 system of grading. We will not have a slab review. Only those subnissions that are sent in raw will get this benefit of the new scale. (Of course then you would have to crack and re submit)
Would this at least have been better from a PR point of view?
I mean it is fairly obvious that 80% of th people here dislike the way this was done.
I won't call Joe a liar (maybe he did get positive feedback) from those he spoke to.
I just have to wonder if raw was the way to go here.
Any thoughts?
I know I can just see it now, guy has a 10k Cobb and ruins it trying to get the bump!!
Steve
cover it. More or less, give or take .50
<< <i>
<< <i>Clearly all you collectors who buy cards "for the love of the hobby" really only care about what your cards are worth and nothing more. >>
Lee, this isn't true. Maybe for some but not for me. I don't like this move as it has been suggested that PSA may change flips which will drive me nuts (i.e., mismatched cards in my collection). I don't sell my cards. I may have sold five cards in the last five years. I have given away 20 times that number of cards. Heck, I currently have no less than 16 1977 Pete Roses graded in PSA 8 and 5 in PSA 9. And for some obsessive-compulsive reason, I like them to all be holdered the exact same way. In addition, I don't want to have two different grading scales used to evaluate my collection (i.e., future submissions). It is not about what my cards are worth. It is about my need for consistency and accuracy. It will cost me quite a bit of money to re-evaluate (or Lord forbid, reholder to new flips). How many of the aforementioned 77 Roses might be 8.5s? I guess there's only one way for me to find out and it is going to cost me. I think you are using far too broad of a paintbrush with your analysis here. There are other ramifications to this move by PSA aside from the perceived value of the cards. >>
I agree, Bobby.
I hate the half-grade idea and I'm by no means an "investor." I build low/mid-grade PSA vintage sets for the most part with some low-cost PSA non-sport sets no one seems to care about. Like a LOT of people, I don't have wads of cash to blow on cards so I guess you could say I build sets in the poor-man's areana.
I also rarely sell cards...particularly graded ones. However, I'd like to know that when it does come time to sell my collection, I will not take a loss. My 7's and 8's probably won't bring the same prices that I paid for them. Granted, over the next ten years or so, I should be able to at least break even if it comes time to sell my cards as prices mature. But what if something happens before then and I need to sell my collection? I...like most "run of the mill" collectors are left with a big chunk of monetary loss because of this half-grade crap. When you put hard earned money, time, resources, etc. into building the best collection you can afford it's pretty unnerving to know that PSA's (a company we've all been loyal to) greed is screwing you over for it.
And the whole deal about this helping out the hobby is BS as well. Who is PSA to decide it'll help the hobby? That's up to the COLLECTOR'S, who have clearly spoken that this is BS. And yes, we are all thinking of our money and collections right now and not "the future of the hobby in the long run" because it's simply psychology. YOU have to be satisfied before you can worry about ME...and it appears that this new system isn't going to satisfy the majority of INDIVIDUAL collectors.
On another note, one has to realize that a HUMONGOUS percentage of collectors that are here to stay are set builders. And to be a set builder, you've got to be at least a little obsessive compulsive. Just the action of collecting, cataloging, storing, etc. a set makes you so. And in being a little obsessive compulsive, you HATE change. If PSA set builders wanted "mid-grades" they would go with a company that does it. Simply put, if PSA had STARTED with half-grades, it would've been just fine. But you can't change the rules of the game at halftime. It messes the players up and makes them not want to play anymore.
BTW, Why is it that all of these hordes of "collectors" who supposedly are in favor of this new system aren't posting that? I see some on here, but they are obviously the minority.
edited for clarity.
<< <i>6.5 Chaz >>
<< <i>: standing ovation : >>
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Stevedoobie- It's selfish a-holes like you that only care about yourself and your collection that brought the hobby marketplace to where it is today, where half the sellers on ebay are scam artists, 90% of ebayers hold feedback hostage, and everybody overgrades their raw cards to make a few extra bucks. Personally, I enjoy collecting and I want to collect into my old age, so what's good for the hobby is good for me and everybody else who collects. If I lose a few bucks in the short run, so be it.
mbonth- I wholeheartedly agree that it was crap for PSA to spring it on us without any warning, and do it the way they did. PSA might have the worst PR of any publicly traded company.
How many times have you heard:
BUY THE CARD, NOT THE HOLDER.
If you followed that simple rule, the .5 will not affect you because the price has already been established.
Thanks in advance.
<< <i>Stevedoobie- It's selfish a-holes like you that only care about yourself and your collection that brought the hobby marketplace to where it is today, where half the sellers on ebay are scam artists, 90% of ebayers hold feedback hostage, and everybody overgrades their raw cards to make a few extra bucks. Personally, I enjoy collecting and I want to collect into my old age, so what's good for the hobby is good for me and everybody else who collects. If I lose a few bucks in the short run, so be it. >>
Are you blind to reality? Do you think PSA is making these changes for the "good of the hobby"? They are making changes for one reason alone.......$$$$$$. I'm happy that you enjoy collecting cards and I hope you continue to do so. Just because someone sells some cards on ebay and makes a profit does not mean they are selfish. Peace!
Thanks in advance.
lol
Steve
Just one more voice in Total agreement with you, and the Crappy way PSA went about this as usual.
Neil
<< <i>i need the 50 bowman fbs if anybodys leaving , give you 2.00 each, market crash ya know, sky fell or something
ha ha
Why didn't people get this upset when I mentioned that PSA slabs 2 of Cal's minor league team sets with a ton of inaccurate information? Did the integrity of the hobby not matter in that regard?
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With all due respect when i first read your thread I had no idea if you were serious or not. For the past few months (at the least) you have been involved in many spoof threads and spoof replies. Besides the Gary expose I never really know when you are serious anymore.
I still don't.
Steve
that is human nature no?
Steve
Steve
just kidding!!
Steve
<< <i>But if you are going to put your own financial interests above something that would be good for everybody, well let's just say that's a prime example of why so much messed up stuff happens in this country on a daily basis. >>
Single guys, let this be a lesson to all of us.
This is what happens to you after marriage.
You become considerate and think of others.
Bah humbug.
-Bill Gates,1981
"With hurricanes,tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another,& with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks,"Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"" Jay Leno 2006
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<< <i>But if you are going to put your own financial interests above something that would be good for everybody, well let's just say that's a prime example of why so much messed up stuff happens in this country on a daily basis. >>
Single guys, let this be a lesson to all of us.
This is what happens to you after marriage.
You become considerate and think of others.
Bah humbug.
Hence why I got divorced, I enjoyed being an inconsiderate a-hole and I am finally happy again.
Lee, your original post made some very good and legit points. I don't think PSA making the switch to the .5 system is a smart move for the "industry leader." If it ain't broke, why worry about it? But then again, business is business....JMO
Ripken, Brooks & Frank Robinson, Old Orioles, Sweet Spot Autos, older Redskins - Riggins, Sonny, Baugh etc and anything that catches my eye.
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Steve
<< <i>I enjoyed being an inconsiderate a-hole and I am finally happy again. >>
Good times.
<< <i> It seems to me that alot of people on these boards are in collecting for the money and not the hobby. I am in it for the hobby, have been and always will be. >>
Several of you have made statements similar to this one throughout these recent threads I have to admit..this attitude bothers me. Using myself as an example....I have collected for over 30 years..since I was 6 years old. Over the years, I have collected football...baseball...and whatever made me happy. In the 80's, I collected Dallas Cowboys..and in the late eighties/early nineties vintage football grabbed my heart. I love vintage football..primarily 40's and 50's era. I buy books..and yes...I do read them..about the 40/50's era football. I just picked up one about the Steagles football team during WWII..the combined team of the eagles and steelers....anyways....I am in it for the passion and strong interest of vintage football, BUT yes I care about my collection holding value...and hopefully gaining value over time. With the prices I have to pay for graded bowman football, I definately care about the financial aspects as well. If vintage cards were worth pennies...and new cards were worth hundreds...I would still be collecting vintage. To chastise someone for caring about the "money" they have invested is simply wrong in my opinion. Yes...I used the dreaded word "invested." I do consider my collection an investment....an investment that has provided me so much joy, and hopefully will provide my children or grandchildren an inheritance of value...because It won't be me selling them. OK I am done rambling,
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Also, I have news for all those guys who have low pop PSA 9s and are worried because they won't hold their high speculative value: Your cards are going down no matter what happens. The market will correct itself whether PSA has half grades or not. PSA just closed one of the loopholes people use to make money from flipping cards, which will keep prices down, which is good for the hobby.
Lee, people will always be flipping cards whether they have a half grade or not , in my opinion the low pop 9's will go up in value because there will be more 8.5 grades now instead of sliders given the grade of 9, and there will be no 9.5 grade, so i don't really see to much of an effect on PSA 9 and PSA 10 cards.
also please call me stupid, but what loophole did PSA just close, you will still have the sellers saying high end PSA 8.5 this could be a 9?
The new scale will reduce the number of crackouts, which is a game that's been killing the hobby and getting worse as the years go by.
this to will pass
and resell it for 20 times what you bought it for to another knowledgeable person, there is a
problem that needs to be fixed. "
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Gradeflation has been cooking on the coin side for years.
The market wants the highest grades, and it is always going
to be willing to pay for them.
PSA/PCGS are in the "value-added" business.
PSA's BIG bulk-submitters have been unable to maximize their
returns; under the new scheme they get some relief. Those
previously worthless 8s will now AT LEAST break even for the BIGs.
Where one stands on the .5 issue has almost everything to do with where they sit.
PSA is a company run to make money. Often, they will implement a policy that is good for them and bad for collectors. This is not one of them, and in fact may hurt them financially because of far fewer crack and resubs
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PSA like EVERY company is in it for profit. This will bring them a lot more business. If it wasn't about profit, they wouldn't do it... It is a marketing decision.
Men should act like men!
As my newlywed friend Mike told his bride
on the first night he came home drunk : "Get used to it bitzh!"
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<< <i>This post is not directed to any one person on this site.IMO Whatever Psa has done in the past and will implement in the future ,someone will most likely *itch about it one way or the other.The fact is that plenty of you will still send your cards in to get graded regardless if they grade by half points or there grades start looking like gasoline prices on a 9/10 of a scale,and if thats what you desire then,hey thats cool. You should do what your comfortable with. If not you dont have to create a fuss over every little thing, Just move on. Take a look at this site the past few months , its more of a *itching parlor than anything else. The truth is PSA will do whatever benefits them and not the consumer.The general public has become to fragile IMO,for example if you dont like the show on tv , dont watch it ,dont like a comedian dont pay to go see him. Seems like everyone has a opinion and no one can have a different one or it deeply sickens them. what a joke ! maybe a sportscard psychologist will help, maybe do something in your life that will bring more of a reward in your life than collecting cardboard. >>
But I thought people collected cards to complain. Complain about the dealers, about the card cases, about not getting good cards from packs, about the price of cards, about other collectors, about not pulling that 1 of 1, that they make the 1 of 1's, that........
Mark
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Let me attack it from another direction: Any time you can buy a card from a knowledgeable person, not change the card in any way, and resell it for 20 times what you bought it for to another knowledgeable person, there is a problem that needs to be fixed. >>
Great statement and I absolutely agree. It't not the .5 point grading system that I have the issue with - it's having to pay twice for something that should have been done right the first time. If they offered a FREE review service do you really think anybody would have a problem with the new grading scale? Absolutely not, and it would accepted by everyone. Who would actually say, "No, I don't want my cards reviewed to see if they could possibly grade higher?" However, the fact that we have to pay AGAIN just shows that this is only an attempt to drain more money out of us. Don't get me wrong, they are a business and certainly have a right to make a profit - but not from something that should have been done right the first time!
I said this in another thread, but I think it is worth repeating: That's like me paying someone to come cut my grass and after I pay him, he says "Oh by the way, I can cut your grass AGAIN with a more PRECISE blade that will get a lower cut. It's another $30.00."
That's exactly what PSA is doing to us!
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