Do you guys think these jersey cards are fake?

lawnmowerman · January 14, 2008 5:13AM

I won these cards all from the same Ebay seller and just received them today. I have reason to believe the cards have been tampered with. I'm not saying the seller did it. Imo, the cards looks very suspect.

If you look at the edges around each cutout, they all exhibit the same chipping and damage to the black edges. Possibly from the tool used to stuff a swatch back in after the original was removed.

What do you guys think?

On this card the jersey is hanging out over the edges.

This one, the chipping is not as bad but it's still there

kingraider75 · January 14, 2008 5:14AM

u might be right, but would be the use of someone switching a patch in and out? Are those big money cards???

Goot · January 14, 2008 5:14AM

Why would they switch them out with all white swatchs? Wouldn't they stick a patch in there or something?

RipublicaninMass · January 14, 2008 5:15AM

what advantage would that have? It's not like it is a logo or multi-color ..unless he is trying to make one big jersey

lawnmowerman · January 14, 2008 5:17AM

I have no idea. I'm new to the jersey card thing. I just thought it was strange all of them have the same damage in the same places.

I mean, why else would the cards all have damage there? Those areas are not high wear areas like a corner or edge.

storm888 · January 14, 2008 5:23AM

"...strange all of them have the same damage in the same places."

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None of my swatch cards have those marks.

But, it is hard to see where the profit is in doing a swatch-switch.

I dunno.

ripkenintheminors · January 14, 2008 5:24AM

The windows around jersey swatches have been notorious for having edge damage or wrinkles.

The only way I would be concerned would be if any of the following took place:

1) The card says nothing about having game worn jersey
2) The jersey swatch insert have a piece of a patch
3) The card has different levels of value based on the jersey color.

BunchOBull · January 14, 2008 5:24AM

Matt if you're worried about the edge of the "framed" area around the swatch and how rough cut they can be, not a big issue (won't always affect grades much either). The vase majority of GU cards, especially earlier ones, have this problem. Concern should be had if you see any loose fabric and/or cloth or strings sticking up above the frame edge.

lawnmowerman · January 14, 2008 5:27AM

<< 
Concern should be had if you see any loose fabric and/or cloth or strings sticking up above the frame edge. >>

The only card that has that would be the middle card. On the right side, the the fabric is hanging out above the edge

jmbkb4 · January 14, 2008 5:34AM

my gut feeling is that the cards aren't tampered with. If they had nice-looking patches (or even good looking jerseys), I might think differently. Nobody in their right mind would do that and put ugly white jersey pieces in there.

NickM · January 14, 2008 5:45AM

I have a '00 Playoff Team Threads jersey card I pulled from a pack, and it had jersey hanging out over one edge. Their quality control was not as good back then.

I wouldn't be worried about those three - people don't go around inserting single color swatches as fakes.

Nick

MeteoriteGuy · January 14, 2008 5:47AM

I have never heard of a case of someone removing a swatch and replacing it with a single color.

Having said that the Teams Thread has a LOT of chipping around the window. I have not noticing chipping like that on any of my game used cards.

Personally, I think they are find and would not worry. Perhaps a previous owner liked to feel his jersey pieces.

Clear Skies,
Mark

EagleEyeKid · January 14, 2008 5:56AM

Matt, I agree with the others. Fake patch/swatch switching usually involves
switching from a single color to multi-color. Also single 'white' is the worse you
can get. I think you're safe.

BeanBone · January 14, 2008 7:27AM

I've seen similar kinds of rough edges, like this Goudey card I pulled (although it doesn't show as much in the scan). I think sometime the QC just isn't as high as we'd like it to be.

lawnmowerman · January 14, 2008 8:50AM

Thanks guys! I still think somebody played with the top card. That one is all chewed up. I have about 4 of the base jersey cards and none of them have the same damage the one #d to 100 shows.

jmbkb4 · January 14, 2008 9:29AM

out of morbid curiosity, what did you give for all the cards?

lawnmowerman · January 14, 2008 9:32AM

<< out of morbid curiosity, what did you give for all the cards? >>

I paid $50ish for 4 cards. I don't remember the exact amount.

TNTonPMS · January 14, 2008 9:36AM

<< The windows around jersey swatches have been notorious for having edge damage or wrinkles.

The only way I would be concerned would be if any of the following took place:

1) The card says nothing about having game worn jersey
2) The jersey swatch insert have a piece of a patch
3) The card has different levels of value based on the jersey color. >>

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True , I think it is possible that they could have belonged to some little kid and maybe he either mistreated the cards or was thinking maybe the whole jersey was in there

Then his father beat the daylights out of him for wrecking his cards and figured they are not the quality he keeps and decided to sell them .

They're nice cards though , sweet score !

Do ya member these Lazers Mr. Lawnmowerman ?
And do ya know if any of these cards came with any memorabilia pieces in them ?

zep33 · January 14, 2008 9:40AM

Pulled a Triple Threads Oswalt out of a pack that has a piece of a patch in it with a big old thread hanging out of it. I'm sure someone would yell fake if I ever tried to sell it LOL

There's a lot of fake patches but everyone is right, they fake them to put multicolors in there, not white swatches

lawnmowerman · January 14, 2008 9:41AM

TNT, I just sent one of them with my last sub. I don't remember what year they are though. Is it 1996? I don't think there were any memorabilia cards but I could be wrong.

lawnmowerman · January 14, 2008 9:44AM

<< There's a lot of fake patches but everyone is right, they fake them to put multicolors in there, not white swatches >>

Vaild point. Here is a spin on that though. What if one of these had the nice swatch in it and it was pulled to put in a lower numbered, higher dollar card to make it "ultra rare"? Then a junk swatch was put back in the card and dumped on ebay.

One thing we all know about ebay is the fact that scammers will do anything and I mean anything to make a buck.

zep33 · January 14, 2008 9:47AM

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<< There's a lot of fake patches but everyone is right, they fake them to put multicolors in there, not white swatches >>

Vaild point. Here is a spin on that though. What if one of these had the nice swatch in it and it was pulled to put in a lower numbered, higher dollar card to make it "ultra rare"? Then a junk swatch was put back in the card and dumped on ebay.

One thing we all know about ebay is the fact that scammers will do anything and I mean anything to make a buck. >>

very good point indeed. But I would almost bet they get the fake pieces from cheap hats and patches you can buy seperately - that way they can get the exact piece of the patch that looks best

TNTonPMS · January 14, 2008 10:02AM

"TNT, I just sent one of them with my last sub. I don't remember what year they are though. Is it 1996? I don't think there were any memorabilia cards but I could be wrong."
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Yes sir . . . 96's

Those were some of my favorites ever . . .

I also used to love the Motion Vision cards, the cards that had like a 1 second worth of a play when ya tilted the card , I never hear much about those .

lawnmowerman · January 14, 2008 10:12AM

<< "TNT, I just sent one of them with my last sub. I don't remember what year they are though. Is it 1996? I don't think there were any memorabilia cards but I could be wrong."
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Yes sir . . . 96's

Those were some of my favorites ever . . .

I also used to love the Motion Vision cards, the cards that had like a 1 second worth of a play when ya tilted the card , I never hear much about those . >>

Yeah, those are cool too

I sent in a few of them and got 10's so I was happy

TNTonPMS · January 14, 2008 11:07AM

Sweet !

I only saw the Motion Vision that one year , I remember before that , there were ones that were similar , but they had a cardboard back and I didn't like those as much as when I saw the all tranparent ones , kinda like a little TV .

I remember thinking " These are gonna be a hit "

Not so much I guess, But I like em, they're really different than the regular cards so that was kinda exciting back in the days of old , when knights were bold and rubbas weren't invented

jmbkb4 · January 14, 2008 12:23PM

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<< There's a lot of fake patches but everyone is right, they fake them to put multicolors in there, not white swatches >>

Vaild point. Here is a spin on that though. What if one of these had the nice swatch in it and it was pulled to put in a lower numbered, higher dollar card to make it "ultra rare"? Then a junk swatch was put back in the card and dumped on ebay.

One thing we all know about ebay is the fact that scammers will do anything and I mean anything to make a buck. >>

Matt,

the person doing that would put a swatch off a cheap jersey that he's got lying around to sell TWO patch cards.

You are right -- they will do anything to make a buck, which is why they'd put a fake patch inside if they were going to put anything inside it.

MeteoriteGuy · January 15, 2008 6:25AM

<< "TNT, I just sent one of them with my last sub. I don't remember what year they are though. Is it 1996? I don't think there were any memorabilia cards but I could be wrong."
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Yes sir . . . 96's

Those were some of my favorites ever . . .

I also used to love the Motion Vision cards, the cards that had like a 1 second worth of a play when ya tilted the card , I never hear much about those . >>

The motion vision cards rule. There was a complete set on ebay this week for $20...that almost tempted me.

If I remember right, they had like 2.4 seconds of "motion." Quite a breakthrough at the time, not so much the technology, but as a consumer product.

Clear Skies,
Mark

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · January 15, 2008 6:37AM

If his cards sold cheap, I could see a reason someone would give him a plain swatch and use the patch for a bigger name but I assume his cards sell pretty good.

Do you guys think these jersey cards are fake?

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