Coins I lost due to ebay's policy

Frankcoins · January 9, 2008 5:29PM

Here are recent coins that I was the high bidder on, but ebay made go "poof" because of their "trust and safety" policy.

320203785879 - 1885-CC Morgan GSA Plastic MS60+
110211736720 - 1875-S 20¢ Piece Bowers Hallmark Slab VF20
130188061666 - Morgan Dollar 1885 MS63 Old Hallmark Slab
130188065117 - Morgan Dollar 1897 MS63 PL PCI Certified - Toned
130188285118 - Morgan Dollar 1879-S MS64 PCI 10 digit slab
200190532635 - RARE 1805 DRAPED BUST QUARTER PCI VG08
300188440408 - 1810 *CLASSIC HEAD* LARGE CENT...SEGS V.G.
180182921652 - 1980 P NICKEL ON PENNY PLANCHET SEGS
120189669037 - 5-DAYS ONLY PCI AU-55 1894 MORGAN DOLLAR $0.01 NR!!!!!!
250192509044 - NICE 1807 DRAPED BUST QUARTER, CERTIFIED, G-6, PCI
370004295748 - 1915 Buffalo 5c Certified See Text for info
330190017114 - 1937S BUFFAlO NICKEL OLD PCI MS 63. UNDERGRADED
320205336996 - 1878 CC (PCI GRADED) OLD PHOTO SLAB ALL WHITE

Wish I had kept notes on who the sellers were...

Meanwhile, the fakes from China bring record bids!

notwilight · January 9, 2008 5:31PM

Were they closed? As a seller, every auction they poofed after they closed I completed the sales without any ebay fees. I got back several hundreds in fees. But I'd have much rather had smooth sailing thru that fiasco and paid the fees. Now it's getting smaller in the rear view mirror, jerry

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sinin1 · January 9, 2008 5:49PM

If they were legit sellers, they will be back - you just have to find them again

if they were scams or hijacked accounts, they may have saved you some aggrevation and money

Manorcourtman · January 9, 2008 9:54PM

<< Here are recent coins that I was the high bidder on, but ebay made go "poof" because of their "trust and safety" policy.

320203785879 - 1885-CC Morgan GSA Plastic MS60+
110211736720 - 1875-S 20¢ Piece Bowers Hallmark Slab VF20
130188061666 - Morgan Dollar 1885 MS63 Old Hallmark Slab
130188065117 - Morgan Dollar 1897 MS63 PL PCI Certified - Toned
130188285118 - Morgan Dollar 1879-S MS64 PCI 10 digit slab
200190532635 - RARE 1805 DRAPED BUST QUARTER PCI VG08
300188440408 - 1810 *CLASSIC HEAD* LARGE CENT...SEGS V.G.
180182921652 - 1980 P NICKEL ON PENNY PLANCHET SEGS
120189669037 - 5-DAYS ONLY PCI AU-55 1894 MORGAN DOLLAR $0.01 NR!!!!!!
250192509044 - NICE 1807 DRAPED BUST QUARTER, CERTIFIED, G-6, PCI
370004295748 - 1915 Buffalo 5c Certified See Text for info
330190017114 - 1937S BUFFAlO NICKEL OLD PCI MS 63. UNDERGRADED
320205336996 - 1878 CC (PCI GRADED) OLD PHOTO SLAB ALL WHITE

Wish I had kept notes on who the sellers were...

Meanwhile, the fakes from China bring record bids! >>

I had a similar rant the first two weeks the policy was implemented. I won off brand slab auctions that were cancelled over a day after the item ended! I luckily had kept records of the sellers and completed the payment/transaction off of eBay to the sellers delight!(They pd. zero eBay fees). Keep track of the sellers and you will be fine. The eBay policy sucks but doing a little homework/DD pays off most of the time. I like yourself don't have a problem buying some "prohibited" slabs as I am an adult who can make his own decisions!! I don't need protection from the eBay Police!!!

53BKid · January 9, 2008 11:57PM

I personally don't see the protection for buyers in the policy, only eBay being able to rack up more fees by requiring additional photographs and through relistings of cancelled auctions. Poor form in my opinion.

Fountainhead · January 10, 2008 12:01AM

That's really cool, keeping the records. eBay is screwing itself out of fees. We'll see just how long this lasts.

TwoSides2aCoin · January 10, 2008 12:05AM

bravo Frank and Manorcourtman for your posts. I dare say, some of us see the detriment of the new policy as it pertains to finding a diamond in the rough. However, we live and we learn that there's a lot of coal to shovel through using eBay. The policy that protects also hinders. Such is law.

pharmer · January 10, 2008 12:13AM

Just yesterday a coin I had been bidding on went poof. I didn't even notice but the seller had put PCI in the title. All he had to do was put it in the description instead or not at all, since the excellent images showed what slab it was in, and the image and coin alone sold the coin. Obviously. It was a PCI slab.

The seller was stupid. Your sellers were stupid.

The policy is easy to comply with, if complying is desired rather than making a hollow and pointless statement of protest.

By the way, you went to such pains to retain the item numbers and exact titles of the listing, but no idea who the sellers are? Right.

CappedBustDimes · January 10, 2008 12:29AM

<< Dear Frank,
First off who is grading these coins, if it is you well then they might have done you a favor.
We have had a lot of discussion on ebay's new rules designed to protect even you when you are a buyer although last time you were angry at them for protecting the buyers when you were the seller. Advice Frank why don't you just stop using ebay, obviously it just doesn't work for you. >>

yes frank. who's side are you on.

notwilight · January 10, 2008 1:37AM

<< Just yesterday a coin I had been bidding on went poof. I didn't even notice but the seller had put PCI in the title. All he had to do was put it in the description instead or not at all, since the excellent images showed what slab it was in, and the image and coin alone sold the coin. Obviously. It was a PCI slab. The seller was stupid. Your sellers were stupid. The policy is easy to comply with, if complying is desired rather than making a hollow and pointless statement of protest. By the way, you went to such pains to retain the item numbers and exact titles of the listing, but no idea who the sellers are? Right. >>

Pharmer, I'm reluctant to point this out but you keep pointing out how easy it is to comply with the ebay rules but I notice that hardly any of your auctions meet the eBay rules. --Jerry

Bochiman · January 10, 2008 1:39AM

Ok, I'll say it....

I think it's easy to meet ebay's new rules and I don't think you will find any of mine that were out of compliance

Also, Frank, you didn't LOSE any of those coins. You may have lost out on them, but you didn't lose them.

Frankcoins · January 10, 2008 2:15AM

<< All he had to do was put it in the description instead or not at all, since the excellent images showed what slab it was in, and the image and coin alone sold the coin. Obviously. It was a PCI slab.

The seller was stupid. Your sellers were stupid.

The policy is easy to comply with, if complying is desired rather than making a hollow and pointless statement of protest.

By the way, you went to such pains to retain the item numbers and exact titles of the listing, but no idea who the sellers are? Right. >>

1. Ebay bans use of "PCI" in the TITLE or DESCRIPTION

2. About half of the items showed pictures OF THE COIN but not the entire slab, so the only way I knew it was in a PCI slab was from the text.

3. The item number and exact title comes from the ebay cancellation email, but once the auction is cancelled, it's like your bid and the auction listing itself never existed. The email does not mention the seller's ID.

TwoSides2aCoin · January 10, 2008 2:22AM

I vote Bochi gets a gold star

Mr Compliance

pharmer · January 10, 2008 2:24AM

<< 

<< Just yesterday a coin I had been bidding on went poof. I didn't even notice but the seller had put PCI in the title. All he had to do was put it in the description instead or not at all, since the excellent images showed what slab it was in, and the image and coin alone sold the coin. Obviously. It was a PCI slab. The seller was stupid. Your sellers were stupid. The policy is easy to comply with, if complying is desired rather than making a hollow and pointless statement of protest. By the way, you went to such pains to retain the item numbers and exact titles of the listing, but no idea who the sellers are? Right. >>

Pharmer, I'm reluctant to point this out but you keep pointing out how easy it is to comply with the ebay rules but I notice that hardly any of your auctions meet the eBay rules. --Jerry >>

Don't lie, Jerry, you're not reluctant at all. I lack only the ENTIRE reverse slab image on some of my listings. You seem to have a fixation for my listings, yet refused my offer to see in hand a coin you are interested in. Got issues, Jerry?

pharmer · January 10, 2008 2:27AM

Oh, forgot the

And I'm laughing AT you, Jerry. Not wilight. What kind of name is that?

BECOKA · January 10, 2008 2:28AM

I agree it can be frustrating but for the few frustrations there are more auctions setup correctly to where a coin is more identifiable. I agree with Bochiman, the rules are not that hard to follow. I now include a close up photo of the front an back as well as a front and back shot of the slab. There is no harm in doing it right.

dbldie55 · January 10, 2008 2:32AM

Life must be terrible for some people. Sort of sad.

notwilight · January 10, 2008 2:32AM

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<< Just yesterday a coin I had been bidding on went poof. I didn't even notice but the seller had put PCI in the title. All he had to do was put it in the description instead or not at all, since the excellent images showed what slab it was in, and the image and coin alone sold the coin. Obviously. It was a PCI slab. The seller was stupid. Your sellers were stupid. The policy is easy to comply with, if complying is desired rather than making a hollow and pointless statement of protest. By the way, you went to such pains to retain the item numbers and exact titles of the listing, but no idea who the sellers are? Right. >>

Pharmer, I'm reluctant to point this out but you keep pointing out how easy it is to comply with the ebay rules but I notice that hardly any of your auctions meet the eBay rules. --Jerry >>

Don't lie, Jerry, you're not reluctant at all. I lack only the ENTIRE reverse slab image on some of my listings. You seem to have a fixation for my listings, yet refused my offer to see in hand a coin you are interested in. Got issues, Jerry? >>

Pharmer, the one coin you mention I wasn't interested in at the price you were asking so I declined to have you ship it to me on approval. I thought that was best for both of us. I won't take a coin on approval until I agree on a price.

As for your other auctions, no I'm not fixated. I looked at a few others when I was considering the 94 cent and I saw auctions for coins listed as PCGS MS6x graded and the photos showed the coin in a flip. Perhaps you've fixed that as I haven't gone back to check but last I noticed you weren't even close. I believe you, based on your reputation, indeed have the coins and are not trying to scam anyone but I wonder why you're so hard on others when you aren't in compliance. Have you had any auctions ended? If not do you have any idea why?

--Jerry

pharmer · January 10, 2008 2:33AM

Matter of fact, just corrected one now. Have five images, including 2 of the reverse, but not one of the ENTIRE reverse. Now it's done. Got a lot of listings to do that to. Been slackin I guess. Sorry, Jerry.

TwoSides2aCoin · January 10, 2008 2:36AM

Free comedy here !

pharmer · January 10, 2008 2:41AM

<< Here are recent coins that I was the high bidder on, but ebay made go "poof" because of their "trust and safety" policy.

320203785879 - 1885-CC Morgan GSA Plastic MS60+
110211736720 - 1875-S 20¢ Piece Bowers Hallmark Slab VF20
130188061666 - Morgan Dollar 1885 MS63 Old Hallmark Slab
130188065117 - Morgan Dollar 1897 MS63 PL PCI Certified - Toned
130188285118 - Morgan Dollar 1879-S MS64 PCI 10 digit slab
200190532635 - RARE 1805 DRAPED BUST QUARTER PCI VG08
300188440408 - 1810 *CLASSIC HEAD* LARGE CENT...SEGS V.G.
180182921652 - 1980 P NICKEL ON PENNY PLANCHET SEGS
120189669037 - 5-DAYS ONLY PCI AU-55 1894 MORGAN DOLLAR $0.01 NR!!!!!!
250192509044 - NICE 1807 DRAPED BUST QUARTER, CERTIFIED, G-6, PCI
370004295748 - 1915 Buffalo 5c Certified See Text for info
330190017114 - 1937S BUFFAlO NICKEL OLD PCI MS 63. UNDERGRADED
320205336996 - 1878 CC (PCI GRADED) OLD PHOTO SLAB ALL WHITE

Wish I had kept notes on who the sellers were...

Meanwhile, the fakes from China bring record bids! >>

Lest we allow not wilight to hijack the thread, back to the story.

You know, Frank's problems have never had to do with reverse entire slab images of pcgs slabs, have they?

BlindedByEgo · January 10, 2008 2:44AM

<< Oh, forgot the

And I'm laughing AT you, Jerry. Not wilight. What kind of name is that? >>

For being a relatively educated man, you are sometimes a real idiot.

Bochiman · January 10, 2008 2:46AM

<< I vote Bochi gets a gold star

Mr Compliance

>>

I just find there is too much going on in real life to whine and worry about ebay and coins like that.
I may get frustrated once in awhile, but if anyone finds me whining as much as Frank, please let me know and cyber-slap me out of it...seriously!

notwilight · January 10, 2008 2:52AM

<< 

<< Oh, forgot the

And I'm laughing AT you, Jerry. Not wilight. What kind of name is that? >>

For being a relatively educated man, you are sometimes a real idiot. >>

I'm an idiot for asking Pharmer an embarassing question? Or am I naive for not knowing why Pharmer is immune? Notice how he tried to switch the subject back to Frank...

I won't resort to name calling. Taking the high road has always served me well. Have a good life, Jerry

dbldie55 · January 10, 2008 2:56AM

<< 

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<< Oh, forgot the

And I'm laughing AT you, Jerry. Not wilight. What kind of name is that? >>

For being a relatively educated man, you are sometimes a real idiot. >>

I'm an idiot for asking Pharmer an embarassing question? Or am I naive for not knowing why Pharmer is immune? Notice how he tried to switch the subject back to Frank...

I won't resort to name calling. Taking the high road has always served me well. Have a good life, Jerry >>

I thought this thread was about frank and his constant whining about ebay's policy.

notwilight · January 10, 2008 2:57AM

<< Oh, forgot the

And I'm laughing AT you, Jerry. Not wilight. What kind of name is that? >>

Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat. --Theodore Roosevelt

My guess is you knew the answer but based on your politics and looking for a cheap shot chose to mess it up. I guess we'll just have to agree to not like each other. Generally I'm a good judge of people and the messages you sent me about the 1794 cent made me quite uneasy. I don't know what it is and you seem to be in good standing here despite your gruff and unfair attacks on people so I'll move on and won't challenge you on anything else. I never try to wrestle with a pig, you get just as dirty as the pig. --Jerry

BlindedByEgo · January 10, 2008 3:08AM

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<< Oh, forgot the

And I'm laughing AT you, Jerry. Not wilight. What kind of name is that? >>

For being a relatively educated man, you are sometimes a real idiot. >>

I'm an idiot for asking Pharmer an embarassing question? Or am I naive for not knowing why Pharmer is immune? Notice how he tried to switch the subject back to Frank...

I won't resort to name calling. Taking the high road has always served me well. Have a good life, Jerry >>

No, actually I was calling Pharmer an idiot. But he!!, if the shoe fits,

notwilight · January 10, 2008 3:11AM

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<< Oh, forgot the

And I'm laughing AT you, Jerry. Not wilight. What kind of name is that? >>

For being a relatively educated man, you are sometimes a real idiot. >>

I'm an idiot for asking Pharmer an embarassing question? Or am I naive for not knowing why Pharmer is immune? Notice how he tried to switch the subject back to Frank... I won't resort to name calling. Taking the high road has always served me well. Have a good life, Jerry >>

No, actually I was calling Pharmer an idiot. But he!!, if the shoe fits,

>>

I'm sorry. I hate these internet debates and I guess I misinterpreted your post. thanks for the support. I too am a relatively educated man and I sometimes feel like an idiot.

--Jerry

pharmer · January 10, 2008 3:12AM

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<< Just yesterday a coin I had been bidding on went poof. I didn't even notice but the seller had put PCI in the title. All he had to do was put it in the description instead or not at all, since the excellent images showed what slab it was in, and the image and coin alone sold the coin. Obviously. It was a PCI slab. The seller was stupid. Your sellers were stupid. The policy is easy to comply with, if complying is desired rather than making a hollow and pointless statement of protest. By the way, you went to such pains to retain the item numbers and exact titles of the listing, but no idea who the sellers are? Right. >>

Pharmer, I'm reluctant to point this out but you keep pointing out how easy it is to comply with the ebay rules but I notice that hardly any of your auctions meet the eBay rules. --Jerry >>

Don't lie, Jerry, you're not reluctant at all. I lack only the ENTIRE reverse slab image on some of my listings. You seem to have a fixation for my listings, yet refused my offer to see in hand a coin you are interested in. Got issues, Jerry? >>

Jerry, to make your performance audit of my listings a little simpler, here's the item number of the listing I just fixed, admittedly late. I have added an image of the ENTIRE reverse rather than just a closeup of the reverse, to item 23015086868. This way you won't have to check item by item, and may I offer to submit other item numbers to you on coins which I haven't put up the ENTIRE reverse slab image but merely the closeup of the reverse slab?

If so, just give me a call. That's right, stick your head out your window and say "hey, pharmer, item XXXXXXXXXXXXX doesn't have an entire reverse image yet!". Your neighbors won't mind. If for some reason I don't hear you call, feel free to use the pm function above.

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TwoSides2aCoin · January 10, 2008 3:13AM

Speaking of shoes fitting:

Before criticizing another, we should walk a mile in their shoes.

Then we'll be a mile away and we'll have their shoes. Now shake hands and talk coins

BlindedByEgo · January 10, 2008 3:15AM

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<< Oh, forgot the

And I'm laughing AT you, Jerry. Not wilight. What kind of name is that? >>

For being a relatively educated man, you are sometimes a real idiot. >>

I'm an idiot for asking Pharmer an embarassing question? Or am I naive for not knowing why Pharmer is immune? Notice how he tried to switch the subject back to Frank... I won't resort to name calling. Taking the high road has always served me well. Have a good life, Jerry >>

No, actually I was calling Pharmer an idiot. But he!!, if the shoe fits,

>>

I'm sorry. I hate these internet debates and I guess I misinterpreted your post. thanks for the support. I too am a relatively educated man and I sometimes feel like an idiot.

--Jerry >>

That's OK, I'm undereducated and as close to a mouth breather as you can be, and still function in society (smoe would say poorly).

But back to the original thread - Frank does still whine an awful lot about Ebay's policies, though, doesn't he? I hope that he can find some closure soon - resistance is, after all, futile

pharmer · January 10, 2008 3:18AM

<< 

<< Oh, forgot the

And I'm laughing AT you, Jerry. Not wilight. What kind of name is that? >>

For being a relatively educated man, you are sometimes a real idiot. >>

Well, you would know. What did you call yourself in that one thread, a profiler? Yes, a profiler!

Dude, that's hilarious. But you were/are serious about that, so your profile of me was sure to be coming. You're the forum character evaluator after all, in judgement of all.

And btw, I don't think I'm an idiot. I know it. What's your excuse?

pharmer · January 10, 2008 3:20AM

<< Here are recent coins that I was the high bidder on, but ebay made go "poof" because of their "trust and safety" policy.

320203785879 - 1885-CC Morgan GSA Plastic MS60+
110211736720 - 1875-S 20¢ Piece Bowers Hallmark Slab VF20
130188061666 - Morgan Dollar 1885 MS63 Old Hallmark Slab
130188065117 - Morgan Dollar 1897 MS63 PL PCI Certified - Toned
130188285118 - Morgan Dollar 1879-S MS64 PCI 10 digit slab
200190532635 - RARE 1805 DRAPED BUST QUARTER PCI VG08
300188440408 - 1810 *CLASSIC HEAD* LARGE CENT...SEGS V.G.
180182921652 - 1980 P NICKEL ON PENNY PLANCHET SEGS
120189669037 - 5-DAYS ONLY PCI AU-55 1894 MORGAN DOLLAR $0.01 NR!!!!!!
250192509044 - NICE 1807 DRAPED BUST QUARTER, CERTIFIED, G-6, PCI
370004295748 - 1915 Buffalo 5c Certified See Text for info
330190017114 - 1937S BUFFAlO NICKEL OLD PCI MS 63. UNDERGRADED
320205336996 - 1878 CC (PCI GRADED) OLD PHOTO SLAB ALL WHITE

Wish I had kept notes on who the sellers were...

Meanwhile, the fakes from China bring record bids! >>

Now, back to Frank, Jerry. Because Dbldie's right, it's about Frank and his (this) thread, Jerry. And yes, since you mention politics for some reason, I know you share his and don't like me getting on Frank. Too bad. He's a whining baby who should take his ball and go home and teach eBay a lesson they'll never forget!

TwoSides2aCoin · January 10, 2008 3:21AM

So which coin did you want most , Frank ?

notwilight · January 10, 2008 3:22AM

pharmer, I'm done. like I said in my first post to this thread, I was reluctant to bring this up and in retrospect I shouldn't have. I really had no issue with you other than feeling bad for those you attack. I'm not apologizing, just moving on. --Jerry

pharmer · January 10, 2008 3:24AM

Whatever.

Frankcoins · January 10, 2008 3:25AM

<< bravo Frank and Manorcourtman for your posts. I dare say, some of us see the detriment of the new policy as it pertains to finding a diamond in the rough.

<< 

If you would EXAMINE what is really going on, they would see the situation for what it is.

Here is an "cola war" analogy.

Coke and Pepsi, through a trade association funded mostly by big grocery stores that sell Coke and Pepsi, do a survey of big grocery stores to find out the highest quality soft drink. The big grocery stores that make lots of money selling Coke and Pepsi, not surprisingly, decide that while neither Coke nor Pepsi are "excellent," they are "superior" and all other soft drinks are "Average," "Poor," or "Unacceptable."

Notice that they never asked any DRINKERS of Dr Pepper, RC, Big-K, or Kool-Aid whether they are happy with the product considering the price paid. Everyone does agree that someone selling Kool-Aid should not improperly claim that they are actually selling Pepsi or that Kool-Aid is worth as much as Pepsi.

Now while there is no advertising entity that controls 95% of the market as eBay does -- suppose there was -- and that entitiy, in conjunction with the Better Business Bureau, with information provided by the surevy from the trade association funded by the big sellers of Coke and Pepsi decided to make rules to "protect" soft drink consumers. Any soft drink other than Coke and Pepsi could not be advertised by name, and even though it comes in a bottle or aluminum can manufactured by a company that has been in business for many years, any advertising must consider RC or Dr Pepper "raw," that is on the same level as someone kid with dirty hands selling a glass of lemonade on the sidewalk.

Meanwhile, various people with financial or philosophical interests in Coke or Pepsi are busy searching through advertising looking for someone selling an "unapproved" can of soda. Even though a willing and knowlegeable buyer wishes to buy it, the advertising monolith cancels the sale based on this interference from someone not a party to the transaction, and warns the seller that any more attempts to relist the soft drink will result in suspension of his selling "privilege" and he could be reported to the Better Business Bureau (even though he might not even be a member.)

It's probably not a coincidence that within TWO MONTHS of this new policy, one of the "unapproved" but still respectable soft drink companies put its assets up for public auction. Another had a $25,000 order cancelled from a single customer who realizes that he would not be able to market the product. A "second tier" soft drink company is sold, fires all of its employees, disconnects the phones and moves to another city, and steals the employess of yet another "second tier" company.

And while all this is happening, the big advertising monolith continues to accept advertising of fake soft drinks from China, some of it even in fake Coke and Pepsi cans....

Frankcoins · January 10, 2008 3:32AM

<<

So which coin did you want most , Frank ? >>

Man, that 1875-S 20 center in the old Dave Bowers Hallmark slab was sweet. You would never see a VF-20 with full raised LIBERTY in any slab today.

TwoSides2aCoin · January 10, 2008 3:35AM

Frank, I haven't bought or sold on eBay for two months. It neither hurts nor helps. I've examined the new policy and determined that my widgets are best left in a hoard unworthy of the ebay community.

ziggy29 · January 10, 2008 3:36AM

<< [Everyone does agree that someone selling Kool-Aid should not improperly claim that they are actually selling Pepsi or that Kool-Aid is worth as much as Pepsi. >>

I thought the default premise on this board that nothing was worth more than Kool-Aid, which is why so many here drink it!

Frankcoins · January 10, 2008 3:43AM

<< Why is Frunk upset again.
For those who may not remember he was complaining and complaining last time when he was selling overgraded crap on the bay and not following the rules and then surprise surprise the bay yanked the listings and he cried foul >>

I cried "foul" because my ebay rep told me that I could liquidate the very few non major slabs that I had in my inventory as long as the listing began before October 1. They cancelled EVERYTHING, including CGA currency and a T-67 Condederate note (T-67 is a grade, they claimed) and a US Mint set for mentioning the face value! I have never knowingly misrepresented a coin in my auctions. I have never even submitted raw coins to any company other than ANACS, NGC and PCGS (I am an authorized dealers for all three)

<< Now he is complaining because in order to sell his overgraded crap once again on the bay he needs inventory so this time he is on the other end of the stick so to say, he is attempting to buy crap so he can most likely turn around and sell them on the bay again hopefully following their rules this time and he is crying because all is buys were yanked because the sellers didn't follow the rules. Now did he for one second figure out that the sellers weren't following the rules, he should know because he sells on the bay and was slapped down by the bay himself so maybe he shouldn't have wasted his time bidding on the crap, you decide.
All I see from this guy is whinning about something that he should already know about and he shouild finally just stop complaining or get off of the bay already. >>

Just keep it up, my friend....

pharmer · January 10, 2008 3:44AM

You love it, or you wouldn't keep starting these threads.

Frankcoins · January 10, 2008 3:48AM

<< 

<< [Everyone does agree that someone selling Kool-Aid should not improperly claim that they are actually selling Pepsi or that Kool-Aid is worth as much as Pepsi. >>

I thought the default premise on this board that nothing was worth more than Kool-Aid, which is why so many here drink it!

>>

I thought it was appropriate...

Frankcoins · January 10, 2008 4:01AM

<< You love it, or you wouldn't keep starting these threads. >>

I keep hoping people will lobby ebay for some sensible rules...

Allow SEGS and PCI, since they trade on the Bluesheet

Ban sellers from China from the US ebay site until (if ever) some safeguards can be developed to protect US buyers...
and this is not just coins, every category is being flooded with fakes and thieves.

Remove restrictions on numerical grades.

Ban sellers who make false representations about grade or value

Why is any constructive comment I make characterized as "whining" or "crying"?

ziggy29 · January 10, 2008 4:11AM

<< Allow SEGS and PCI, since they trade on the Bluesheet? >>

I'm not a big fan of SEGS or PCI and I know they aren't considered "top tier," but they are (or were) legitimate businesses, not scam slab operations only in "business" to allow unscrupulous dealers to sell grossly overgraded "certified" coins.

And I find it problematic that one unrelated business can yield so much monopoly power and clout in the marketplace that they can singlehandedly bring down other legitimate businesses by "blessing" their competitors but not them.

I have no quarrel with taking down the self-slabbers who put out crap from day one with the intent to ripoff collectors. But I hate to see ones with at least some legitimacy taken out with all the rest of them, all because one monopoly business is getting too big for its britches. Frankly I find it scary that one business can have this much power over other businesses -- even more so than Microsoft did a few years ago, IMO.

dbldie55 · January 10, 2008 4:39AM

I thought the listed grading services had guarantee's, while those excluded did not. Not sure the bluesheet had anyhing, or should have anything, to do with it.

Kip · January 10, 2008 4:40AM

Boy...I wonder how much it would end up costing someone to sell a complete set of State Quarters when they finish next year ??..My God..how would you take all the slab pictures

Maybe just spred them out on a table and do 1 shot?

Frankcoins · January 10, 2008 5:00AM

<< Frank, I haven't bought or sold on eBay for two months. It neither hurts nor helps. I've examined the new policy and determined that my widgets are best left in a hoard unworthy of the ebay community.

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I have been selling exclusively at local shows, mail order and auctions. I keep getting email from past customers on ebay asking when I will be putting items on ebay again. It's just not worth the trouble until things shake out. The confidence of ebay buyers has been badly shaken by the fake slabs and the Chinese sellers of unmarked fakes like this guy:

Link

We have seen some samples from this source, and they are NOT MARKED as copies, but since the seller photoshops "replica" on the images, ebay employess refuse to cancel these auctions. They are only trained to cancel auctions of genuine coins where someone has listed an official ANA grade, failed to show the entire back of a PCGS or NGC slab, or listed an unapproved slab!

Of course, these fakes are starting to show up on listings from US sellers, who knowingly or unknowingly are listing them as genuine items, and as long as the ebay listing rules are followed , ebay employees will not remove them, as they are unable to detect even the most poorly made fakes.

These is supposedly a coin community watchdog group of ANA members, but thers is no way to find out who they are or to communicate to them !

Ebay is an important avenue for beginning collectors to buy "entry level" coins and hopefully some of them will advance to "numismatists."

The whole ebay thing is imploding into a mess, fueled by ebay's greed for expansion into China and other parts of the world where organized crime is overlooked or encouraged, and desperately poor people with access to an internet cafe think scamming an American is better than starving.

BlindedByEgo · January 10, 2008 5:04AM

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And I'm laughing AT you, Jerry. Not wilight. What kind of name is that? >>

For being a relatively educated man, you are sometimes a real idiot. >>

Well, you would know. What did you call yourself in that one thread, a profiler? Yes, a profiler!

Dude, that's hilarious. But you were/are serious about that, so your profile of me was sure to be coming. You're the forum character evaluator after all, in judgement of all.

And btw, I don't think I'm an idiot. I know it. What's your excuse?

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How did you read "mouth breather" as "profiler"?

Although I am intrigued - where did I ever cite myself as a profiler? Heck, I don't think I could profile breakfast.

Coins I lost due to ebay's policy

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