Another iffy-font slab

GoldenEyeNumismatics · January 3, 2008 7:24AM

is it real?

tightbudget · January 3, 2008 7:28AM

No. Thank god there are no bids.

droopyd · January 3, 2008 7:29AM

Not even a very good attempt at properly copying the label.

Russ · January 3, 2008 7:33AM

A ton of feedback as a buyer, and zero as a seller. Looks like a newb who stocked up to open a store, and got hosed on some of his purchases.

Russ, NCNE

sinin1 · January 3, 2008 7:35AM

I would say no considering the

other one he has supposedly EF-40 details with no signs of wear

vplite · January 3, 2008 7:35AM

It looks wrong.

Other clues:

Poor picture on a high value item (looking at other auctions he has the ability to provide decent pictures).

This seller has sold replicas.

A quick look at other sales shows mostly low value items.

ahooka454 · January 3, 2008 7:36AM

WTF! This is getting nuts. Everyday it seems someone is posting a fake coin/slab. I know what to look for in some coins and all slabs, but what if someone didnt? This really sucks. There is already so many things to consider when buying a coin, now we have to worry about fake slabs... I would expect the Top grading Comapny(s) to do something about this. I am not saying cover ones losses, but I would figure they would want to do something to help prevent this, or make it harded for these scumbags.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · January 3, 2008 7:36AM

he has another one too
link

nesvt · January 3, 2008 7:37AM

So what looks odd? The spacing on "DETAILS"? The white color at the edge of the slab? Mis-centered top line?
Educate me. I'm comparing to three "detail" coins that I had slabbed at ANACS.

coin on ebay-

GoldenEyeNumismatics · January 3, 2008 7:38AM

<< but I would figure they would want to do something to help prevent this, or make it harded for these scumbags. >>

There's not much they can do. Perhaps making a more complex hologram would make the slabs harder to fake, but that won't stop many. Plus, you can't really see the hologram in ebay auctions very well, even if it is a real slab.

Russ · January 3, 2008 7:39AM

<< This seller has sold replicas. >>

He has?

Russ, NCNE

nicetoning42107 · January 3, 2008 7:39AM

The font is way off to my eyes, but that's because me and probably many others on this forum look at such material quite often. To a person who has only seen a few ANACS details slabs, such a slab could be very believeable as authentic. We need to educate newer collectors, dealers. Yes, the counterfeiters may see this forum and learn their errors from us and we could ultimately be a benefit to them. But, as with almost all things, this is a case where something can be used for the good just as much as it can be for the bad. On the one hand, we are educating buyers who'd be otherwise duped, but on the other hand we educate the counterfeiters.

Russ · January 3, 2008 7:47AM

<< So what looks odd? The spacing on "DETAILS"? The white color at the edge of the slab? Mis-centered top line?
Educate me. I'm comparing to three "detail" coins that I had slabbed at ANACS. >>

Compare the font of the "9" in the cert number on your slabs to the one in the auction.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · January 3, 2008 8:23AM

I notified the seller, and he immediately yanked the auction. He also responded very quickly.

Russ, NCNE

DJCoinz · January 3, 2008 8:26AM

<< I notified the seller, and he immediately yanked the auction. He also responded very quickly.

Russ, NCNE >>

That's good. Perhaps it was an honest mistake on his part...feel sorry for him if he got taken on all those.

Russ · January 3, 2008 8:29AM

<< <>

That's good. Perhaps it was an honest mistake on his part...feel sorry for him if he got taken on all those. >>

Based in his eMail, I believe that it was an honest mistake.

Russ, NCNE

braddick · January 3, 2008 8:51AM

<< 

<< This seller has sold replicas. >>

He has? Russ, NCNE >>

Unfortunately, yes, he has.

The 1795 FH he sold is from the same Chinese hoard as this one:

braddick · January 3, 2008 8:59AM

By the way, an interesting ploy these Chinese sellers will take is to offer the coin, via ebay- but not directly, so to speak.

For example, the Chinese seller will offer a legit coin, such as this one after being in contact with the buyer seeking a counterfeit- such as the 1795 Flowing Hair dollar.

In other words, the final step in the negotiation is to purchase the "Buy it Now" legit (in this case the PCGS slabbed) coin yet have the counterfeit(s) sent instead. This way the buyer is protected via eBay and Paypal, and a future search never reveals the true coin sent.

291fifth · January 3, 2008 9:11AM

When they start getting the type font and spacing correct...watch out.

Fake slabs are going to be one of the big numismatic stories of 2008.

braddick · January 3, 2008 9:22AM

<< When they start getting the type font and spacing correct...watch out. Fake slabs are going to be one of the big numismatic stories of 2008. >>

I absolutely agree with you!

AUandAG · January 3, 2008 9:35AM

Look at how the "AU 55 Details" is not centered but set right.
Same with the barcode. All yours are perfectly centered.
bob

Another iffy-font slab

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