<< <i>Does anyone have a 101a w/crack thru stars at left? How about a 103a w/crack from date to stars? Or a 105' w/no reverse cracks and fully struck wing?
How about a 113'? >>
My 1809 O-103 posted above qualifies as the LDS with the crack from base of date through first few stars. Don't have the others you asked about.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
Mozin I was reviewing your 111' post. A couple of questions... Is that die rust around star 7? On the rev. at the center of the left wing's edge to the field, what is that? Thanks Mike
On my O-111', my guess is toning spots. I am confident what you are seeing is actually on the coin, because I reholdered that coin. The coin is in the bank with all my other coins. Next trip to the bank I will grab this coin along with my other O-111, which I have not yet posted.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
Ran accross an O103 with a plain edge. I know the O103 is pretty common, but does the plain edge add anything to the rarity. The person was asking a good premium because of it and it's in a PCGS XF holder.
I am assuming you mean the edge has lettering, but not XXX or III. I cannot imagine anyone paying a premium for the more common plain edge in the O-103 marriage. That dealer trying to get a premium for the plain edge should be dealt with in a cautious manner.
On the other hand, if you meant to say the edge had no lettering, that is a totally different story. An edge with no lettering means the coin never went through the castaing machine, very rare happening. The coin would have a larger diameter than normal. Such an error would easily triple the value of the Bustie.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
<< <i>1809, O-110, PRIME (RARE), R6 Condition Census. This one is interesting as it was unknown when I first started collecting Capped Bust halves. Note that it has the Mint luster of an EF piece but a "mush" strike on the obverse center, yet still showing relatively well struck Stars. Note also that the reverse has no trace of the "segments below scroll". This is an early piece. Compare to edmerlr's piece earlier in this thread with the segments.
Steve Herrman has recorded 5 pieces to date, in his popular AMBPR for Bust Half Dollars 1794 - 1836. (A must have for those chasing CBH's). I know of 4 others aside from the 5 reported pieces in Steve's AMBPR bringing the total up to about 10 pieces. Probably a third of these have problems (scratches, burnishing, etc.). Interesting piece! Keep your eye out for one!
Edgar
>>
I found this 110 last week. It was in one of those "other" holders so no one bothered to look at it. It is obviously cleaned and scratched, but it bears no trace of the bolt marks.
Lots of dense hairlines, but no trace of the bolt marks.
Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
Yes, we need better pictures. I don't see this one as O-109, because the E under the D does not line up for it. You might get lucky, and have the O-108 R4.
Thanks for the coinzip site and the awesome photos. It does indeed match up with O.109. It's just my 4th bustie but I'm digging the series, 200+ years old for <$100? Yes please.
It's really hard to get a good shot of the edge in a holder, even with the prong slabs. But I did shoot the edge of a raw 1809 O.110. See below.
I've looked at the edges of several XXX raw halves and never been impressed. I guess I hoped to see clear XXX's and they all seemed kind of fuzzy. The example below is pretty typical. Maybe other members have better examples. Lance.
I had to scroll a long ways right to find the XXX edge picture. Truthfully, as long as I have been collecting CBHs, 45 years, I cannot say that I ever saw a solid looking XXX edge. As Lance said, now we have most all of the higher grade CBHs in holders, so only the PCGS attributors get to see the raw XXX coins. Too bad!
The big question remains, "Are there lots and lots of XXX edge 1809s out there unattributed?" I doubt we will ever know the answer to this question.
I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
Comments
<< <i>Does anyone have a 101a w/crack thru stars at left? How about a 103a w/crack from date to stars? Or a 105' w/no reverse cracks and fully struck wing?
How about a 113'? >>
My 1809 O-103 posted above qualifies as the LDS with the crack from base of date through first few stars. Don't have the others you asked about.
I was reviewing your 111' post.
A couple of questions...
Is that die rust around star 7?
On the rev. at the center of the left wing's edge to the field, what is that?
Thanks
Mike
On my O-111', my guess is toning spots. I am confident what you are seeing is actually on the coin, because I reholdered that coin. The coin is in the bank with all my other coins. Next trip to the bank I will grab this coin along with my other O-111, which I have not yet posted.
She's seen plenty o time in commerce but is with full crust.
Cool steel blue halo on that !
Loads of luster too...
Just like the rest, soft reverse impression.
Nice coin!
Mike
I am assuming you mean the edge has lettering, but not XXX or III. I cannot imagine anyone paying a premium for the more common plain edge in the O-103 marriage. That dealer trying to get a premium for the plain edge should be dealt with in a cautious manner.
On the other hand, if you meant to say the edge had no lettering, that is a totally different story. An edge with no lettering means the coin never went through the castaing machine, very rare happening. The coin would have a larger diameter than normal. Such an error would easily triple the value of the Bustie.
I like mine that way too!
Good find..
Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
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Stuart
Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal
"Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"
<< <i>1809, O-110, PRIME (RARE), R6 Condition Census. This one is interesting as it was unknown when I first started collecting Capped Bust halves. Note that it has the Mint luster of an EF piece but a "mush" strike on the obverse center, yet still showing relatively well struck Stars. Note also that the reverse has no trace of the "segments below scroll". This is an early piece. Compare to edmerlr's piece earlier in this thread with the segments.
Steve Herrman has recorded 5 pieces to date, in his popular AMBPR for Bust Half Dollars 1794 - 1836. (A must have for those chasing CBH's). I know of 4 others aside from the 5 reported pieces in Steve's AMBPR bringing the total up to about 10 pieces. Probably a third of these have problems (scratches, burnishing, etc.). Interesting piece! Keep your eye out for one!
Edgar
I found this 110 last week. It was in one of those "other" holders so no one bothered to look at it. It is obviously cleaned and scratched, but it bears no trace of the bolt marks.
Lots of dense hairlines, but no trace of the bolt marks.
Here is an O.109a (with the die crack through AMERICA) for comparison.
Lance.
Check out CoinZip:
1809 Capped Bust Half Dollar marriages
It's just my 4th bustie but I'm digging the series, 200+ years old for <$100? Yes please.
Before the fatal obverse die break
The edge reads DOLLAR XXXX FIFTY CENTS OR HALF A
FIFTY
CENTS
ORHALF
A DOLLAR
Money Shot (XXXX's)
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BHNC member # 184!
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BHNC member # 184!
http://www.busthalfaddict.com
PCGS XF40
Lance.
How about a nice shot of the XXX edge?
<< <i>Lance,
How about a nice shot of the XXX edge? >>
It's really hard to get a good shot of the edge in a holder, even with the prong slabs. But I did shoot the edge of a raw 1809 O.110. See below.
I've looked at the edges of several XXX raw halves and never been impressed. I guess I hoped to see clear XXX's and they all seemed kind of fuzzy. The example below is pretty typical. Maybe other members have better examples.
Lance.
I had to scroll a long ways right to find the XXX edge picture. Truthfully, as long as I have been collecting CBHs, 45 years, I cannot say that I ever saw a solid looking XXX edge. As Lance said, now we have most all of the higher grade CBHs in holders, so only the PCGS attributors get to see the raw XXX coins. Too bad!
The big question remains, "Are there lots and lots of XXX edge 1809s out there unattributed?" I doubt we will ever know the answer to this question.
Note the standard edge is
DOLLAR FIFTY CENTS OR HALF A
Where the IIIIIII edge is supposed to be
DOLLAR IIIIII FIFTY CENTS OR IIIII HALF A
The coin
The edge:
Note DOLLAR and FIFTY are run together
Some sort of blob after the OR that is illegible
The IIIII is to the left of HALF
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