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Is it time for the AU-58 grade to be expanded?

From what I have seen, this grade seems to have the biggest range of coin condition

and some coins have big value differences from AU-55 to AU-58 to MS-60




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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,090 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is it time for the AU-58 grade to be expanded? >>

    No, leave the grading scale be.
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It already has been - all the way up to 65. image
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, its time for the grade to be used properly.
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Only if market grading is inevitable.
  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭
    A-----------U------------5------------8

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  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    this argument just goes on & on.

    rather then change something that works perfectly fine, ie grading scale, why not change GRADERS instead? if they would grade right, then the 70 point scales works great

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  • CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    Sounds like the thoughts of someone who lives and dies by the greysheet. I honestly don't see a point in any technical graduation of the AU grade. Every coin is different and can be judged and valued on its own merits. This is what restrains some nice, but thinly traded, coins. One bidder in a sale recognizes value and is preapred to take the coin there. The others dare not go 5% above GS ask without feeling like suckers.
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just pay what the coin is worth.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have to wonder: if the price guides valued AU58 the same as MS62, would collectors be so up in arms about pieces with cabinet friction being in 62 holders? image

    Doubtful. The reason most are [IMO] is because they want to buy something the market values at 62 for less.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have to wonder: if the price guides valued AU58 the same as MS62, would collectors be so up in arms about pieces with cabinet friction being in 62 holders? image. >>

    I'm only "up in arms" about AU coins being put in MS holders. The market will value them however it wants; I've certainly purchased more than my share of slabbed AU-58 coins for MS money. I'm totally cool with such an AU being assigned the 62 number. I just don't like that they are called MS when they have obvious rub.
  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The grading scale is fine. What we need is consistency of effort.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,702 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The grading scale is fine. What we need is consistency of effort. >>




    There's a huge difference between an AU-58 that is an ugly unc with too much rub
    and an AU-58 that is a suberb gem with light wear.

    Some will prefer the former but most will prefer the latter.
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>There's a huge difference between an AU-58 that is an ugly unc with too much rub
    and an AU-58 that is a suberb gem with light wear.

    Some will prefer the former but most will prefer the latter. >>

    Agreed. And the latter should *either* be slabbed as a technical 58 that sells for 63 money *or* be slabbed as an AU-63. Either is fine with me. It should NOT, IMO, be slabbed as MS-63.


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    << <i>The grading scale is fine. What we need is consistency of effort. >>




    There's a huge difference between an AU-58 that is an ugly unc with too much rub
    and an AU-58 that is a suberb gem with light wear.

    Some will prefer the former but most will prefer the latter. >>



    What is the difference between "light wear" and "rub"??

    I always thought they were the same and both belonged in a au58 holder.
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,491 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A-----------U------------5------------8

    Done! >>



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  • Not all AU58s are created equal!
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,448 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not all AU58s are created equal! >>



    Actually, you could say that about any grade.

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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    i agree with 291fifth and dorkkarl.

    the graders/dealers are to blame for this current situation and the
    brainwashing of collectors to go along with it.

    the market can decide what each coin is worth (tomb's thoughts).

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