<< <i>I'm good with people disagreeing with my post, after all what fun would it to post and get a hundred “yea me too” replies but what I usually see is some ignorant old fart that has zero experience in the topic personally attack me and basically question my whole right to express my opinion. >>
express a opinion all you want. but next time, try not to sound so stupid in doing so.
<< <i>Sure, there are always examples of a crossover going this way or that way so I can’t argue each and every submission but since I have submitted thousands of eagles over the years I think I have a little shred of credibility on this issue. I can tell you I have NEVER had a grade 70 cross from NGC to PCGS. Not one, nadda. My first 70s were all NGC and none crossed so I dumped them maybe 7 or 8 years ago. >>
hmm, so i guess the problem is'nt that ngc grades worse then, but that you are dumb enough to keep trying to cross crap.
<< <i>Even when you look at the stats for eagles you see that NGC is 70 happy. Anyone in that market will tell you a NGC 70 is a 69+ at best. Do an eBay search on ANY grade 70 eagle and the PCGS price with be much higher. You can blame it on marketing or ignorance or whatever but it is what it is. >>
what it is is 2 different grading standards. anyone who can't understand that is a blithering, blathering idiot.
<< <i>Here is your chance to show why NGC should even be considered a respectable grading company. When it comes to the modern coins it's a given that NGC graded coins are at least one grade above reality. I'm sure the consensus here will be exactly in line with this with a couple NGC bigots posting idiotic crap as to why NGC should be considered anything but a has been "classic" grading shop. Never mind their ugly holders. What idiot moron came up with that lame design? Geez, I wonder how many collectors are stupid enough to want their coins in a junky NGC POS holder.
Sound off if you are in disagreement, I love to hear fools on the hill. >>
Who died and willed you King of the Hill crown? I get tired of people such as yourself getting on a soapbox and spewing CRAP that we are expected to swallow. As has been said here repeatedly, BUY THE COIN, NOT THE PLASTIC! Stop calling people you do not know bigots and idiotic and fools. Sounds like you are slightly bigoted toward PCGS.
I see three scenarios here:
1. Mr. or Mrs. Griv was mistreated by an NGC employee as a child 2. Mr. or Mrs. Griv owns a sh*tload of PCGS stock, and needs profits to go up to pay for that long needed operation to broaden his/her cerebral capacity and understanding of diversity. 3. Mr. or Mrs. Griv submitted a coin(s) to NGC, and they disagreed with the almighty Griv.
1. On grades under 70 - for 90%+ of the Proof modern coins (1973-date) - not much difference, especially on coins where it is typical for 80%+ to grade "69" right from the US Mint (ex: Proof state quarters, bullion coins, etc).
2. On 70's - PCGS' campaign to get rank and file MAJOR producers from other grading services to send their coins to PCGS FIRST to grade 70 (say the CREAM 3%-5% of the coins) and then keep the non-70 coins in "fresh" looking capsules, tubes, etc so they can be submitted to the next grading service (purportedly) as fresh submissions truly does result in PCGS getting the NICEST coins in their 70 graded holders. Plain and simple.
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<< <i>It sounds like Griv is fourteen years old. Idealistic, spuriously mocking, broadly stereotyping, and elementary verbage >>
At least I can spell. It's not verbage, it's verbiage. Oh, and maybe work on your punctuation.
To be totally honest, there isn't a coin grading company that understands the modern coin market better and even more impressive is PCGS's strict and consistant grading of the most exciting coin set in my VERY SHORT, hhmmmm, lifespan, the silver/gold/platinum eagles. Only the crusty old fart bags have enough stupidity (remember, they are also in the lime green streatch pants) to say the eagle sets are anything less than the gratest thing to hapen in numismatics in forever.
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You're right. My mistake. Your spelling and punctuation are like totally both streatchy and grate oh my gosh hhhhmmmmmmhm.
<< <i>You're right. My mistake. Your spelling and punctuation are like totally both streatchy and grate oh my gosh hhhhmmmmmmhm. >>
You are kind of funny. You missed the irony of insulting someone by insinuating that their intelligence is that of a 14 year old but misspelled your insults. I don’t really care whether you can spell or not.
Anyway, when I first posted this thread I assumed I get a lot of responses from anti-PCGS or pro-NGC collectors and I assumed there would be a little slugging but that there would some good info as to whether this assumption is true or not and to what degree.
Instead the posters on this thread are, judging by their comments, either “classic” collectors that don’t give a hoot and holler about modern eagles or those that don’t care about slabbed coins in general. The odd thing is why are they bothering to respond in a thread that they don’t care about? Are they jealous, bored or just like to make trouble?
<< <i>I assumed there would be a little slugging but that there would some good info as to whether this assumption is true or not and to what degree.
Instead the posters on this thread are, judging by their comments, either “classic” collectors that don’t give a hoot and holler about modern eagles or those that don’t care about slabbed coins in general. The odd thing is why are they bothering to respond in a thread that they don’t care about? Are they jealous, bored or just like to make trouble? >>
I sent in 15 different PCGS PR69DCAM coins for NGC to cross and put in three multi-holders when my daughter was born back in 2005. They crossed 12 to 69UCAM and graded 3 of them as PR68DCAM. In this case, they were tougher on moderns than PCGS. >>
And if you'd cracked them out instead you've have twelve 69DCAMS and 3 MS70's. It's human nature, you can't just cross them w/o inherent bias.
<< <i>The odd thing is why are they bothering to respond in a thread that they don’t care about? Are they jealous, bored or just like to make trouble? >>
the odder thing is, is that you can't be that stupid to think it wouldn't get people excited.
Griv , I thought my post was pretty good. I am jealous of TDN, though.
I hate missing that post that says : 100. Plus , he's got some really nice coins that have labels and plastic from both places surrounding them...who cares if they're OLD classics ?
There have been some really funny posts and some good ones to read. I changed the title and "cleaned" the text so the old farts stop getting their undies in a bundle.
This whole 69 or 70 thing with moderns is a bunch of BS. I would be willing to bet that you could take 10 SAE's in 69 slabs and 10 in 70 slabs and cover up the grades and mix them up and you wouldn't be able to consistently tell which is which, and that's with you staring at them for an hour. Now immagine the graders at either company getting a 10 second look at the coin and deciding whether it's a 69 or 70, they flip the coin and heads it's a 69 and tails it's a 70.
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<< <i>This whole 69 or 70 thing with moderns is a bunch of BS. I would be willing to bet that you could take 10 SAE's in 69 slabs and 10 in 70 slabs and cover up the grades and mix them up and you wouldn't be able to consistently tell which is which, and that's with you staring at them for an hour. Now immagine the graders at either company getting a 10 second look at the coin and deciding whether it's a 69 or 70, they flip the coin and heads it's a 69 and tails it's a 70.
JJ >>
I disagree. I could pick the 69s out of the line-up and it wouldn't take 10 minutes. More like 20 seconds each coin or maybe a minute on something real close. This isn't rocket science.
I don't drink the Koolaid, I pour it right from the pouch into my mouth. Even you diehards know in your hearts that PCGS is the best. Sure sometimes they make mistakes, usually attributed to a NGC grader that was recently hired, but far less IMO and I am specking strickly about modern eagles. I don't own any stock in PCGS and actually, I don't own any public stock but I do know the best grading company when I see them.
On silver eagles does NGC pop out more 70's, the answer is yes but they grade a ton more coins. Now if you are strictly an ASE fan and collect them for just the pure pleasure of looking at them then that is great. If you buy all these ASE's as an investment and hunt down those 70's, Youll see in the future you made a very big mistake. I also loved collecting them but realized down the line they will not be worth much at all unless silver goes super high in value. The milk spot issue has already made many collectors steer away including myself. They are minted in very high numbers and are a dime a dozen. Another thing is most newb collectors will start by collecting ASE but when they realize the above they move to classic coins or different modern material. If you collected them for pure pleasure this topic wouldnt exist cause who cares what holder they are in. Your going for an investment and saying how pcgs ase's sell for alot more money. Well have fun with it cause in time your gonna find out the hard way.
<< <i>On silver eagles does NGC pop out more 70's, the answer is yes but they grade a ton more coins. Now if you are strictly an ASE fan and collect them for just the pure pleasure of looking at them then that is great. If you buy all these ASE's as an investment and hunt down those 70's, Youll see in the future you made a very big mistake. I also loved collecting them but realized down the line they will not be worth much at all unless silver goes super high in value. The milk spot issue has already made many collectors steer away including myself. They are minted in very high numbers and are a dime a dozen. Another thing is most newb collectors will start by collecting ASE but when they realize the above they move to classic coins or different modern material. If you collected them for pure pleasure this topic wouldnt exist cause who cares what holder they are in. Your going for an investment and saying how pcgs ase's sell for alot more money. Well have fun with it cause in time your gonna find out the hard way. >>
The Eagles comprise a lot more than just the Silver Eagles. There are gold and platinum Eagles and several varieties of each. As for the spotting, I have only owned 3 milk spotted ASE coins. 1 was from ACG, 1 is a 2006 20th MS69 and the other is a 2004 PR70DCAM. I store my coins in Intercept Shield boxes in a bank vault. All of these coins came to me spotted so I have never had one turn on me even though I will fetch them out on occation just to have a peek at them.
Ahh, yes. American Eagles. Nothing else challenges a grader's abilities to the max. By calling on all his (or her) many years of learning & experience, the true master grader hopes to rise to this test where so many others have failed. Forget about all that fancy-pants stuff like circulation vs soft strike, determining altered surfaces, etc. That is for crabby old farts in a permanent state of denial. Nothing separates the boys from the men (or the girls from the women) quite like that ultimate numismatic question: "Is it a 69 or a 70?"
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<< <i>It sounds like Griv is fourteen years old. Idealistic, spuriously mocking, broadly stereotyping, and elementary verbage >>
At least I can spell. It's not verbage, it's verbiage. Oh, and maybe work on your punctuation.
<< <i>I'm good with people disagreeing with my post, after all what fun would it to post and get a hundred “yea me too” replies but what I usually see is some ignorant old fart that has zero experience in the topic personally attack me and basically question my whole right to express my opinion. >>
express a opinion all you want. but next time, try not to sound so stupid in doing so.
<< <i>Sure, there are always examples of a crossover going this way or that way so I can’t argue each and every submission but since I have submitted thousands of eagles over the years I think I have a little shred of credibility on this issue. I can tell you I have NEVER had a grade 70 cross from NGC to PCGS. Not one, nadda. My first 70s were all NGC and none crossed so I dumped them maybe 7 or 8 years ago. >>
hmm, so i guess the problem is'nt that ngc grades worse then, but that you are dumb enough to keep trying to cross crap.
<< <i>Even when you look at the stats for eagles you see that NGC is 70 happy. Anyone in that market will tell you a NGC 70 is a 69+ at best. Do an eBay search on ANY grade 70 eagle and the PCGS price with be much higher. You can blame it on marketing or ignorance or whatever but it is what it is. >>
what it is is 2 different grading standards. anyone who can't understand that is a blithering, blathering idiot.
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<< <i>Here is your chance to show why NGC should even be considered a respectable grading company. When it comes to the modern coins it's a given that NGC graded coins are at least one grade above reality. I'm sure the consensus here will be exactly in line with this with a couple NGC bigots posting idiotic crap as to why NGC should be considered anything but a has been "classic" grading shop. Never mind their ugly holders. What idiot moron came up with that lame design? Geez, I wonder how many collectors are stupid enough to want their coins in a junky NGC POS holder.
Sound off if you are in disagreement, I love to hear fools on the hill.
Who died and willed you King of the Hill crown? I get tired of people such as yourself getting on a soapbox and spewing CRAP that we are expected to swallow. As has been said here repeatedly, BUY THE COIN, NOT THE PLASTIC! Stop calling people you do not know bigots and idiotic and fools. Sounds like you are slightly bigoted toward PCGS.
I see three scenarios here:
1. Mr. or Mrs. Griv was mistreated by an NGC employee as a child
2. Mr. or Mrs. Griv owns a sh*tload of PCGS stock, and needs profits to go up to pay for that long needed operation to broaden his/her cerebral capacity and understanding of diversity.
3. Mr. or Mrs. Griv submitted a coin(s) to NGC, and they disagreed with the almighty Griv.
BUY THE COIN, NOT THE PLASTIC!!!!!!!!!
i am glad i am not alone about being vocal about what you think
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1. On grades under 70 - for 90%+ of the Proof modern coins (1973-date) - not much difference, especially on coins where it is typical for 80%+ to grade "69" right from the US Mint (ex: Proof state quarters, bullion coins, etc).
2. On 70's - PCGS' campaign to get rank and file MAJOR producers from other grading services to send their coins to PCGS FIRST to grade 70 (say the CREAM 3%-5% of the coins) and then keep the non-70 coins in "fresh" looking capsules, tubes, etc so they can be submitted to the next grading service (purportedly) as fresh submissions truly does result in PCGS getting the NICEST coins in their 70 graded holders. Plain and simple.
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<< <i>It sounds like Griv is fourteen years old. Idealistic, spuriously mocking, broadly stereotyping, and elementary verbage >>
At least I can spell. It's not verbage, it's verbiage. Oh, and maybe work on your punctuation.
To be totally honest, there isn't a coin grading company that understands the modern coin market better and even more impressive is PCGS's strict and consistant grading of the most exciting coin set in my VERY SHORT, hhmmmm, lifespan, the silver/gold/platinum eagles. Only the crusty old fart bags have enough stupidity (remember, they are also in the lime green streatch pants) to say the eagle sets are anything less than the gratest thing to hapen in numismatics in forever.
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You're right. My mistake. Your spelling and punctuation are like totally both streatchy and grate oh my gosh hhhhmmmmmmhm.
<< <i>Buy the coin , not the holder. I have old holdered NGC coins grading MS65 that would easily cross over to PCGS 66!
Well I have old PCGS MS65 coins that NGC crossed to MS67. So there!
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<< <i>You're right. My mistake. Your spelling and punctuation are like totally both streatchy and grate oh my gosh hhhhmmmmmmhm. >>
You are kind of funny. You missed the irony of insulting someone by insinuating that their intelligence is that of a 14 year old but misspelled your insults. I don’t really care whether you can spell or not.
Anyway, when I first posted this thread I assumed I get a lot of responses from anti-PCGS or pro-NGC collectors and I assumed there would be a little slugging but that there would some good info as to whether this assumption is true or not and to what degree.
Instead the posters on this thread are, judging by their comments, either “classic” collectors that don’t give a hoot and holler about modern eagles or those that don’t care about slabbed coins in general. The odd thing is why are they bothering to respond in a thread that they don’t care about? Are they jealous, bored or just like to make trouble?
Annoyed by over the top sweeping pronouncements? Absolutely.
<< <i>I assumed there would be a little slugging but that there would some good info as to whether this assumption is true or not and to what degree.
Instead the posters on this thread are, judging by their comments, either “classic” collectors that don’t give a hoot and holler about modern eagles or those that don’t care about slabbed coins in general. The odd thing is why are they bothering to respond in a thread that they don’t care about? Are they jealous, bored or just like to make trouble? >>
maybe they're just smarther then you.
K S
<< <i>Griv -
I sent in 15 different PCGS PR69DCAM coins for NGC to cross and put in three multi-holders when my daughter was born back in 2005. They crossed 12 to 69UCAM and graded 3 of them as PR68DCAM. In this case, they were tougher on moderns than PCGS. >>
And if you'd cracked them out instead you've have twelve 69DCAMS and 3 MS70's.
nature, you can't just cross them w/o inherent bias.
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Griv, while we have not agreed on some things in the past, that is dang funny.
<< <i>The odd thing is why are they bothering to respond in a thread that they don’t care about? Are they jealous, bored or just like to make trouble? >>
the odder thing is, is that you can't be that stupid to think it wouldn't get people excited.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Man, I'm glad I collect coins and not slabs. >>
Ditto.
I hate missing that post that says : 100.
Plus , he's got some really nice coins that have labels and plastic from both places surrounding them...who cares if they're OLD classics ?
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<< <i>This whole 69 or 70 thing with moderns is a bunch of BS. I would be willing to bet that you could take 10 SAE's in 69 slabs and 10 in 70 slabs and cover up the grades and mix them up and you wouldn't be able to consistently tell which is which, and that's with you staring at them for an hour. Now immagine the graders at either company getting a 10 second look at the coin and deciding whether it's a 69 or 70, they flip the coin and heads it's a 69 and tails it's a 70.
JJ >>
I disagree. I could pick the 69s out of the line-up and it wouldn't take 10 minutes. More like 20 seconds each coin or maybe a minute on something real close. This isn't rocket science.
<< <i>Interesting how he seems to be ignoring Russ' posts.
He might also rank up there as the #1 Kool Aid drinker of all time on these boards....I hope that gives him a really special feeling inside.
Kinda reminds me of that #1 Brittany fan that was all over the net a short while back. I wonder if he is the same guy
I don't drink the Koolaid, I pour it right from the pouch into my mouth. Even you diehards know in your hearts that PCGS is the best. Sure sometimes they make mistakes, usually attributed to a NGC grader that was recently hired, but far less IMO and I am specking strickly about modern eagles. I don't own any stock in PCGS and actually, I don't own any public stock but I do know the best grading company when I see them.
<< <i>On silver eagles does NGC pop out more 70's, the answer is yes but they grade a ton more coins. Now if you are strictly an ASE fan and collect them for just the pure pleasure of looking at them then that is great. If you buy all these ASE's as an investment and hunt down those 70's, Youll see in the future you made a very big mistake. I also loved collecting them but realized down the line they will not be worth much at all unless silver goes super high in value. The milk spot issue has already made many collectors steer away including myself. They are minted in very high numbers and are a dime a dozen. Another thing is most newb collectors will start by collecting ASE but when they realize the above they move to classic coins or different modern material. If you collected them for pure pleasure this topic wouldnt exist cause who cares what holder they are in. Your going for an investment and saying how pcgs ase's sell for alot more money. Well have fun with it cause in time your gonna find out the hard way. >>
The Eagles comprise a lot more than just the Silver Eagles. There are gold and platinum Eagles and several varieties of each. As for the spotting, I have only owned 3 milk spotted ASE coins. 1 was from ACG, 1 is a 2006 20th MS69 and the other is a 2004 PR70DCAM. I store my coins in Intercept Shield boxes in a bank vault. All of these coins came to me spotted so I have never had one turn on me even though I will fetch them out on occation just to have a peek at them.
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