FUTURE HOFERS BY THE YEAR

hofautos · November 9, 2007 4:13PM

Ok, who did i miss? Please no steroid comments...if you dont think the steroid dudes are in ok, but im leaving on the list...don't want to guess past 2002

Edited to include "potential" hofers as voted in the thread...even if slim potential

1973 Goose (added by thread
1976 Dawson (added by thread)
1980 Rickey
1981 Raines
1982 Ripken (already in)
1983 Gwynn,boggs,sandberg (already in)
1984 Clemens
1985 McGwire
1986 Bonds
1987 Maddux, (Palmeiro -added by thread), (Larkin -added by thread)
1988 Biggio (Alomar -added by thread)
1988 Glavine
1989 Randy Johnson
1989 Curt Schilling
1989 Griffey
1989 Smoltz
1990 Sosa
1990 Bernie Williams (thread removed, but I am keeping in just for me ONLY -grin one of my faves)
1990 Frank Thomas
1991 Chipper Jones, Bagwell, (thread added pedro)
1992 Jim Thome, Manny, piazza, mariano,trevor
1993 helton, jeter
1994 arod
1995 vlad, andruw
1996 no one?
1997 ortiz
1998 magglio
1999 alfonso, matt holliday
2000 cabrera, beckett, santana
2001 ichiro, pujols
2002 wright (thread removed mauer)

mdkuom · November 9, 2007 4:19PM

1985- Puckett's already in. And as a Twins fan Mauer will never make it. He breaks down too easily as a catcher but doesn't have enough power to get in at any other position.

Cokin75 · November 9, 2007 4:38PM

No way Bernie Williams gets in. In my opinion, Barry Larkin has a better chance (but he probably won't get in either). Another thing... if Andre Dawson wasn't good enough to get in, I don't think Bagwell should be in either. A lot of the guys you've listed after '91 are crapshoots at this point. I would say Jeter, Arod and Piazza are the only ones of those that are in for sure.

hofautos · November 9, 2007 4:56PM

<< No way Bernie Williams gets in. In my opinion, Barry Larkin has a better chance (but he probably won't get in either). Another thing... if Andre Dawson wasn't good enough to get in, I don't think Bagwell should be in either. A lot of the guys you've listed after '91 are crapshoots at this point. I would say Jeter, Arod and Piazza are the only ones of those that are in for sure. >>

yes, all speculation...
Agree about bernie, helton, and several of the others...ones that are very marginal like the ones i listed are hopefuls for me, because they are a few of my faves...

Agreed also, Dawson should get in but prob wont....

As for definites, VLad,pujols, manny, and ichiro are also definetely in.

As for Mauer, don't know enough, but local twins fan above probably has a better clue than me...i will axe him off ...

Anyone else have any hopefuls that i didnt get on?

Cubby · November 9, 2007 5:08PM

Very comprehensive list

JackWESQ · November 9, 2007 6:48PM

You forgot Player X (1986) who has 500+ HRs and 3000+ hits. Ah yes, the infamous Rafael Palmeiro. I think the REAL question is whether Raffy gets 5% of the vote the first time around to stay on the ballot. I would not be surprised if he did not (receive the 5%).

Think about that. 1663 Runs, 3020 Hits, 585 2B, 569 HR, 1835 RBIs and one miserable performance before Congress and he won't even come close to getting in ... ever. Well, at least that's my thinking. But we won't know until 2010 (or is it 2001?). Anyways, and even then, I don't think people will forget the infamous finger.

/s/ JackWESQ

DeutscherGeist · November 9, 2007 7:27PM

Curt Schilling has improved his chances for the HOF as he continues to pitch at a high level despite his age.

Bernie Williams will have a tough time getting in. His prime was not as outstanding as Mattingly's was during his hey day. Mattingly has trouble getting the necessary votes to stay on the ballot, so Williams won't fare better.

msassin · November 9, 2007 8:07PM

Since Ripken,Puckett and others are mentioned: Boggs (83) is already in

Also Thome had his first card in 1991 Bowman

This would be my list of potential HOFers not on the original list (many could be considered longshots but they have had better careers than Bernie IMO):
87 Larkin
87 Palmeiro
88 R.Alomar
89 Sheffield
91 Mussina
91 Pedro Martinez
91 Ivan Rodriguez

I stopped looking for names around the '95 era of cards (too early to guess)

bigfische · November 9, 2007 8:17PM

if you are using this for rookie cards, smoltz has a 1988 fleer update.

ArnyVee · November 9, 2007 10:09PM

<< You forgot Player X (1986) who has 500+ HRs and 3000+ hits. Ah yes, the infamous Rafael Palmeiro. I think the REAL question is whether Raffy gets 5% of the vote the first time around to stay on the ballot. I would not be surprised if he did not (receive the 5%).

Think about that. 1663 Runs, 3020 Hits, 585 2B, 569 HR, 1835 RBIs and one miserable performance before Congress and he won't even come close to getting in ... ever. Well, at least that's my thinking. But we won't know until 2010 (or is it 2001?). Anyways, and even then, I don't think people will forget the infamous finger.

/s/ JackWESQ >>

Unfortunately, I agree.

My only hope is that a bunch of people get 'fingered' as those that 'accidentally' took performance enhancing supplements and then it becomes an even playing field.

dontippet · November 9, 2007 10:10PM

To continue to add to the list, Tim Raines is up this year and is questionable. Historically, between one and three are voted in every year. So, there should be between one to three for every year on your list for the 80's. That seems like a lot, but that is the typical.

rpcoletrane · November 9, 2007 10:33PM

I'm going to step back to 1972 and say the Goose! He's going in this year! I'll bet on it!

Brian48 · November 9, 2007 10:57PM

'83 Boggs (already in)

EDIT: Ah, I see Boggs has already been mentioned. NM.

DavidPuddy · November 9, 2007 11:02PM

Beat me to it

81, Tim Raines

I really think he going in.

Brian48 · November 9, 2007 11:02PM

<< Since Ripken,Puckett and others are mentioned: Boggs (83) is already in

Also Thome had his first card in 1991 Bowman

This would be my list of potential HOFers not on the original list (many could be considered longshots but they have had better careers than Bernie IMO):
87 Larkin
87 Palmeiro
88 R.Alomar
89 Sheffield
91 Mussina
91 Pedro Martinez
91 Ivan Rodriguez

I stopped looking for names around the '95 era of cards (too early to guess) >>

Pedro is a lock, even if retired immediately after leaving the Red Sox.

DrJ · November 9, 2007 11:16PM

<< To continue to add to the list, Tim Raines is up this year and is questionable. Historically, between one and three are voted in every year. So, there should be between one to three for every year on your list for the 80's. That seems like a lot, but that is the typical. >>

Don't forget that the veterens committee usually ends up sending one of the players each year to the hall. Typically these players are well beyond voting eligibility, and have not been playing for maybe 30 years, so his list isn't half bad.

J

parkerj · November 9, 2007 11:17PM

Great thread!

I think Pedro is a definite....and i'm not a fan, but i think he was solid enough.

I think helton has a good chance....I agree with the concensus - bernie is out. i also think andruw is out as well.

Alomar and Larkin have no shot, imho.

puckett and boggs are missing on the list (they are in).

i agree with i-rod being in.

mussina, sheffield could make it if they keep accumulating, but as of now they are out.

gamehunter · November 9, 2007 11:33PM

McGwire and Biggio will never see the hall.

frankhardy · November 9, 2007 11:46PM

<< McGwire and Biggio will never see the hall. >>

I respectfully disagree. Biggio will almost certainly get in because he got to 3,000 hits. I think McGwire will get in either this year or the next.

What about Carlos Delgado and Carlos Beltran? I think they have a shot as well.

Jim Edmonds needs a long look as well. The offensive numbers are nice, but not enough to get him in. However, when you couple his offense along with being in the top 3 defensive centerfielders of all time (in my opinion), I think he needs a good, long look.

EchoCanyon · November 10, 2007 12:03AM

Here's my two cents:

Biggio is in.
Schilling is not.

And I think Roberto Alomar had a HOF career going, but completely lost his abilities the last few years and will simply end up in the group of players who were excellent, but just shy of HOF potential.

larryallen73 · November 10, 2007 12:18AM

How about CC Sabathia? Like Beckett he is 27 years old. However, he has 100 wins versus Beckett's 73. I realize his post season no show doesn't help but he's young and piling up wins!

DrJ · November 10, 2007 12:28AM

<< Here's my two cents:

Biggio is in.
Schilling is not.

And I think Roberto Alomar had a HOF career going, but completely lost his abilities the last few years and will simply end up in the group of players who were excellent, but just shy of HOF potential. >>

Schilling will be one of those guys who makes it in via the Veterens committee unless he can hang on long enough to obtain 250 Wins. One of the best post season performers of his generation, he sacrified Wins playing in Philadelphia on very bad teams.

J

jdip9 · November 10, 2007 1:43AM

Eliminating the obvious 1st ballot guys like Clemens and Maddux and such, and anyone associated with steriods, I think this is the list up for debate:

1987 Larkin - IMO, not a chance.

1988 Biggio - IMO not a HOFer, but he'll get in because of the 3000 hits.

1988 R.Alomar - IMO, absolutely in. Good discussion of Alomar on these boards a few months ago.

1989 Curt Schilling - I think before 2007 he was borderline. The 2007 postseason put him over the top. He's in, barely.

1989 Smoltz - Absolutely in

1990 Bernie Williams - Not a chance. Like somebody already said, if Mattingly isn't in, neither is Bernie.

1990 Frank Thomas - Absolutely in

1991 Chipper Jones / Bagwell - I put them together because their numbers will be really similar when all is said and done. And their numbers are similar to Andre Dawson, who isn't in. I don't think these guys make it.

1991 Mussina - Career numbers get him close, but just seems he has been too mediocre for too long, never won 20 games. He's out.

1991 Pedro Martinez - Absolutely in

1991 Ivan Rodriguez - Absolutely in

1992 Jim Thome - Hard to picture a guy with 500 HRs not in the HOF, but if there is going to be anyone, Thome might be it. Personally, I wouldn't put him in, but he probably gets in, barely.

1992 Manny, piazza, mariano,trevor - I think all are in. I can't wait for Manny's induction speech.

1993 helton, jeter - No on Helton, Jeter is obviously in.

1995 vlad, andruw - Assuming Vlad continues this pace for another 3-4 years, he's in (not a guarantee since his body seems to be breaking down). A Jones has some work to do since his average is .263, although his defense gives him a shot.

1997 Ortiz - Career numbers will end up similar to Chipper/Bagwell/Dawson. Post-season exploits may get him over the hump, though. Right now I say he's on the outside looking in.

1998 magglio - No way.

1999 alfonso, matt holliday - it's early for both these guys, but I'm going to say no for both.

2000 cabrera, beckett, santana - If Cabrera can stay under 260 lbs, he should be in. Beckett and Santana will be in.

2001 ichiro, pujols - both locks

2002 mauer, wright - wright has a better shot than Mauer. way too early to tell, though

EchoCanyon · November 10, 2007 2:53AM

Blyleven and Kaat have so many more wins than Schilling (and for anyone who dares mentions Mussina) and they are not in.

jamesryanbell · November 10, 2007 3:16AM

<< McGwire and Biggio will never see the hall. >>

No way on that one.

Biggio is a "for sure". Watch it happen. I'm that confident about it.

digicat · November 10, 2007 3:42AM

<< Blyleven and Kaat have so many more wins than Schilling >>

Blyleven and Kaat also have so many more losses than Schilling.

Blyleven: 71 more wins, 104 more losses
Kaat: 67 more wins, 91 more losses)

grote15 · November 10, 2007 3:46AM

Blyleven belongs in the HOF, way overdue.

Biggio is a first ballot lock, too.

TomGshotput · November 10, 2007 4:00AM

<< 
Don't forget that the veterens committee usually ends up sending one of the players each year to the hall. Typically these players are well beyond voting eligibility, and have not been playing for maybe 30 years, so his list isn't half bad. >>

Veterans committee hasn't sent anyone since 2001. Santo is close, Torre should eventually be the first to make it as a combination of playing and managing. A good number of the players on the list won't make it. Biggio likely will

Hard to see any reason why Helton would be listed, but not Walker

Only one not yet mentioned that wouldn't be a poor selection is Kent. McGriff might come close, but is still doubtful

EchoCanyon · November 10, 2007 4:25AM

If the Veteran's committee votes on Schilling it won't be for another 21 years!

hofautos · November 10, 2007 4:31AM

<< Great thread!

I think Pedro is a definite....and i'm not a fan, but i think he was solid enough.

I think helton has a good chance....I agree with the concensus - bernie is out. i also think andruw is out as well.

Alomar and Larkin have no shot, imho.

puckett and boggs are missing on the list (they are in).

i agree with i-rod being in.

mussina, sheffield could make it if they keep accumulating, but as of now they are out. >>

Andruw out for sure? I don't think so...because of his age, he even has a shot at the all time HR record if he plays until his mid 40s....unless he goes to padres, his HR will dwindle. Even though he just came off a bad year (it happens), he just got his 9th gold glove. HE IS A SHOE-IN FIRST BALLOT HOFER....the only thing that could really hurt him if rumor of padres comes to fruition.

123Slider · November 10, 2007 4:51AM

Biggio and Alomar get in IMO.

I don't think anyone has mentioned Jeff Kent. Unless he's named in the Mitchell Report...

Currently,

.290 BA
365 HR
1459 RBI
2338 Hits

I think after another year or two he's in.

TJMAC · November 10, 2007 8:48AM

Jeff Kent should be in for sure. Not 1st ballot, but soon after that. Kent, Biggio and Alomar were the best 2nd basemen of their time. Besides, how many 2nd baseman win an MVP and drive in 100 RBI's 7 times in their career. I know he played in a hitters era, but he was an elite player at his position.

Pudge is 87th all time in hits and I believe has more hits then any other catcher. He pretty much hits for double digit homers every year and has an MVP and World Series ring. Also, he is probably the 3rd or 4th best defensive catcher ever. No way he should be left out.

Magglio Ordonez does not get in unless he has 5 more years like he had this year. I doubt that happens since he is already 33.

Some other guys who will be intertesting to watch are Beltran, Berkman and Soriano. All three have a shot at 500 home runs.

Thome should get in too with 500 home runs and a .281 career batting average. He should get 600.

An interesting case should be Fred McGriff. I always thought of him as a HOFer.

RipublicaninMass · November 10, 2007 9:19AM

Did we forget Manny?

EchoCanyon · November 10, 2007 10:56AM

Other people have mentioned Jeff Kent, so I wanted to throw my 2 cents in two.

Although he was bust with my team (The Mets) and seems to have had problems with the media, he should be in the HOF.

He has more HRs than any other 2nd baseman in history, plus an MVP, plus some other credentials.

Also, I think it's premature talking about anyone with less than 15 years. (Mattingly had 13 great years and that's it.)

gregmo32 · November 10, 2007 11:26AM

Not a guy who has done enough as of yet, but I do think Carlos Beltran will have a shot barring more injuries...

jmbkb4 · November 10, 2007 11:39AM

edit -- of course griffey was on there, my bad.

FUTURE HOFERS BY THE YEAR

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