Ebay does not allow you to use a picture that has a dollar value in it.
I list most of my coins with a picture of the coin in a 2x2, with a price on it.
Even though it was not the gallery picture, it isn't allowed. >>
Wow this is good to know, I never would have caught that. So many coins have changed hands over the years in 2x2's with prices it just seems fitting that the price stays on. Now photos have to be doctored to hide the price.
Webidz.com is an ebay alternative. It has a long way to go to be a suitable auction format but for now, listing fees are nil and they do not charge final value fees. You simply need to protect your downside.
Not certain that buyer or seller protections are adequate but one can always require an escrow service for protection.
Ebay does not allow you to use a picture that has a dollar value in it.
I list most of my coins with a picture of the coin in a 2x2, with a price on it.
Even though it was not the gallery picture, it isn't allowed. >>
Wow this is good to know, I never would have caught that. So many coins have changed hands over the years in 2x2's with prices it just seems fitting that the price stays on. Now photos have to be doctored to hide the price. >>
Good question. I have search by keyword etc and cannot find guidance on the ebay rules. I have not sold there since the rules were imposed but since most of my sales were coins, I would think they would have sent me some sort of announcement.
<< <i> Good question. I have search by keyword etc and cannot find guidance on the ebay rules. I have not sold there since the rules were imposed but since most of my sales were coins, I would think they would have sent me some sort of announcement. >>
I get an email from ebay at least once a day, notices of some podcast from Bill Cobb or Meg whoever. But NEVER got any official notification about the coin policy. I learned of it here and saw the links to it, but I wonder how many sellers have been put out of business and don't know why? This letter was posted in the rec.collecting.coins newsgroup, and seems like it's from an honest person (who is obviously not a good speller). I still found it somewhat heartbreaking .
------- was selling coins on ebay here in Kentucky had just started for 2 months had no negatives and 42 positive feedbacks we always tried to sell honest coins. We had all of the over $50 coins slabed by PCI just to assure the buyers that the coins were real. Nothing fancy but if you have a 1931-S penny or a 1932-D quarter in low grade its better to be in a PCI slab for $6 than just in a flippet and and who can afford to pay the big slabing companys? On one day vacation and when I came back BAM!! all the auctions were ended saying the coins were counterfeit. Ebay never answered my letter so I figured this must be some mistake and I relisted them. BAM!! everything ended again then saying my account was suspended indefanately for relisting counterfeits...and I am prohibited from opening another account or useing ebay in anyway....this is crazy. These are slabed coins for the protection of my buyers!! I called PCI and talked to the lady who said that ebay no longer considers PCI coins as slabed and that their lawyers were working to sue ebay for defamation. I am not a dealer but I got these coins in PCI slabs to be HONEST and now my little coin business is RUINED. ..what oh what did i do wrong.....so here is my thoughts...lets start a class action lawsuit....they cant do business this way in america...unless the countries name has changed to iraq overnight and no one told me.... are they related to saddam he gasses his own people in the middle of the night with no explanation ...is that what is next for America? I have lots of inventory left that I can't sell to pay the bills.....i am sure there are the true scamers and all out there but there are alot of people like me what the heck did i do wrong....
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Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
160177109662 - 1889 P Seated Half Dollar AU Key Date 12,711 Minatge 160175136248 - 1873 CC Seated Half Dollar AU Key Date 214,560 Mintage 160177931059 - 1866 S No Motto Seated Half Dollar XF+ Key Date 160175112942 - 1857 C Gold Dollar $1 AU Key Date 13,280 Mintage 160176380460 - 1797 Draped Bust Large Cent AU S-128 Key Date 160175124192 - 1858 C Gold Liberty $5.00 AU Key Date 38,856 Mintage 160176027087 - 1895 O Morgan Dollar Slider Uncirculated Key Date
The listing was removed because it violated the eBay Counterfeit Currency and Stamps policy. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has been canceled. >>
You might contact Barry Stuppler of the ANA. They advised Ebay on this policy.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
"changed to iraq overnight and no one told me.... are they related to saddam he gasses his own people in the middle of the night with no explanation ...is that what is next for America?"
Heartbreaking? This person has your sympathy? You are too much, Frank.
Then there's always the possibility it's for the most part hitting those who it was intended for. btw, you think eBay is making money off this policy? They're losing final value fees, incurring costs subsequent to enforcing, etc.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i> The specific policy is that you cannot influence the value of an item in any way. >>
No
A raw or uncertified coin is defined as any coin not graded by one of the authorized grading companies. Sellers are permitted to list these items on eBay under the following conditions:
A numeric grade is not included in the title of the listing, such as MS-65, VF-25, etc. A numeric grade may only be included in the description of the listing.
The grading company or price guide is not referenced in the title or description.
A dollar value (even if personal opinion) is not included in the title or description.
Oddly enough, a giant loophole is you can show a photo of the XYZ grading company MS70 label!
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
That's the message sent to sellers. The message sent to buyers is different, and is used for multiple categories.
Russ, NCNE >>
Actually, Russ, I don't think that's true in all cases. I had a bunch of Stores listings yanked in mid-October for not having full slab pictures (they were listings I had created back in August and September before the new policy took effect, but hadn't gotten around to redoing).
I got an email from a buyer who had just received an email from eBay referring to my coins being counterfeit, and wanted to know what was going on. Luckily for me it was a long-time repeat customer of mine, so it didn't have an adverse effect. I was able to explain the new policy and that eBay is TOO EFFING STUPID to create a new and accurate email template, instead re-using an existing email message.
What compounds eBay's stupidity, is that he got the email not based on coins he was currently bidding on or watching, but for listings that HAD ENDED 10 DAYS PRIOR!
Amazing.
Now the scammer sellers on eBay are simply bypassing the rules by listing their NNC, SGS, and Hallmark wares using 1-day listings, knowing that even if reported, the listings won't be pulled before the auction ends.
<< <i>There is no specific piece of ebay policy that prohibits putting a dollar value in a picture. >>
The policy states that no value may be included in the description. Images are part of the description.
Russ, NCNE >>
There are specific meanings of TITLE, SUBTITLE, DESCRIPTION,and IMAGES on ebay.
The draft policy prohibited mentioning the PCGS price guide for coins not graded by PCGS,...
then someone at Ebay decided to drop the reference to PCGS, changing it to "THE" price guide
that was interpreted that to mean ANY price guide, therefore unintentionally banning any references to value or numerical grade for raw coins, even though numerical grades are the ONLY official grades for Uncirculated coins in the ANA grading guide.
Barry Stuppler suggested I contact someone at ebay Trust and Safety to have them clarify this policy.
Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
<< <i>Let's try to keep the misinformation out of this thread as much as possible so don't reply if you don't know what you're talking about. >>
-The irony of that comment is not lost on me. >>
What's ironic about that statement? We have an honest seller take an undeserved hit (well it turned out to be technically a violation but not the one this guy thought it was) and he's laughing and kicking him while he's down like a playground bully--except a bully wouldn't know how to be pompous. --Jerry
<< <i>Let's try to keep the misinformation out of this thread as much as possible so don't reply if you don't know what you're talking about. >>
-The irony of that comment is not lost on me. >>
What's ironic about that statement? We have an honest seller take an undeserved hit (well it turned out to be technically a violation but not the one this guy thought it was) and he's laughing and kicking him while he's down like a playground bully--except a bully wouldn't know how to be pompous. --Jerry >>
Getting bummed from a raw coin purchase on eBay is bad. Getting bummed from a raw coin purchase from a frequent poster here is 10x worse.
The point is, we must be careful not to let our guards down just because they post over here.
The seller is most likely honest, but his recent raw coin auctions tend to be of the allegedly higher-priced type. In today's age, it is very difficult to sell raw coins at their true worth if they are indeed worth "sticker prices".
Basically, I hate to say it, but anybody who doesn't have a solid reputation who tries to sell expensive raw coins on eBay is either a fool or tries to fool others.
A couple of weeks ago I listed 94 raw Morgans on the bay- did a BIN or B/O. on the reverse of each coin- I had a price listed in red. I know the pics were not huge to see the $$ amount- but it was there just the same and I could see that in the listing pics. The auction ran its course with no sale, but it ran its course.
i wish Google would get their auction site up an running- it would put ebay in a bad transition of wasting a sellers time energy and hard earned money for listing with them.
MEG- your panties are on FIRE
and as brother Thiggy would say- I HOPE YOU DIE IN THE FIRE- MEG!!!!!
<< <i>Ebay does not allow you to use a picture that has a dollar value in it.
Unbelievable!!??
Will somebody please rationalize this for me. >>
Actually, it makes perfect sense within the parameters of the new policy. No dollar values are allowed in the description for raw coins. Plenty of sellers would try to circumvent this by putting a dollar value on the 2x2 in the image.
I do think, though, that in the case of good sellers like this, who simply made an understandable minor mistake, the T&S drones should be allowed some kind of discretion.
Let's get real about ebay. It was started because Meg collected pez dispensers. It is not a numismatic site in any way. Its simply one way to sell stuff either to get rid of it or try to make some bucks. That's all it is. Folks like to buy things and they provided a convenient model for them to do so. It's no more than an online garage sale. Because its a business and this is America their model like most companies is to try to maximize profit. If your reputation suffers then so will your profits and I suppose this is why they instituted a new policy on coin listings. Once again its not a numismatic site so don't expect them either to become one or understand the hobby as well as collectors or dealers. Also don't expect them to invest more resources into 1% of their sales then they have, no other business would either. This is not a company that relies on a few vendors or suppliers for its livelihood.
If you depend on ebay sales to supplement your income or to make a living then adapt. Having financed companies since 1971 I've seen successful companies adapt, grow and remain or sell off and make their owners lots of dough. I've also seen companies sit around and wonder what happened to them and try to justify that it wasn't their fault. A learning curve is one of the costs of doing business.
To the poster who justified putting prices on twoXtwos by suggesting shops do this thanks for the chuckle. First of all I've never understood why sellers do this, maybe someone will explain this. Coin shops are not auction sites and when you pick up a coin at a show or shop you can examine it, not so on ebay. As far as the comment of giving an estimated value you can do that by reserving the coin and I hope you are not suggesting that someone writing a price on a 2X2 is doing so to give a potential buyer their estimated value. It gets funnier when a seller lists a coin in the priced 2X2 and states that this was dealers price and he called it AU and was asking this much, but I will let the market decide. The only reason that a seller would logically post a photo with a price on it is to influence the value or too lazy to take it out and shoot it without it.
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<< <i>I got a response.
Ebay does not allow you to use a picture that has a dollar value in it.
I list most of my coins with a picture of the coin in a 2x2, with a price on it.
Even though it was not the gallery picture, it isn't allowed. >>
Wow this is good to know, I never would have caught that. So many coins have changed hands over the years in 2x2's with prices it just seems fitting that the price stays on. Now photos have to be doctored to hide the price.
Not certain that buyer or seller protections are adequate but one can always require an escrow service for protection.
<< <i>
<< <i>I got a response.
Ebay does not allow you to use a picture that has a dollar value in it.
I list most of my coins with a picture of the coin in a 2x2, with a price on it.
Even though it was not the gallery picture, it isn't allowed. >>
Wow this is good to know, I never would have caught that. So many coins have changed hands over the years in 2x2's with prices it just seems fitting that the price stays on. Now photos have to be doctored to hide the price. >>
Good question. I have search by keyword etc and cannot find guidance on the ebay rules. I have not sold there since the rules were imposed but since most of my sales were coins, I would think they would have sent me some sort of announcement.
There is no specific piece of ebay policy that prohibits putting a dollar value in a picture.
The specific policy is that you cannot influence the value of an item in any way.
Whoever pulled my auctions interpreted that showing a photo of a dollar value influenced the value.
So there truly is no policy that prohibits putting a price tag on the 2x2.....
<< <i>
Good question. I have search by keyword etc and cannot find guidance on the ebay rules. I have not sold there since the rules were imposed but since most of my sales were coins, I would think they would have sent me some sort of announcement. >>
I get an email from ebay at least once a day, notices of some podcast from Bill Cobb or Meg whoever. But NEVER got any official notification about the coin policy. I learned of it here and saw the links to it, but I wonder how many sellers have been put out of business and don't know why? This letter was posted in the rec.collecting.coins newsgroup, and seems like it's from an honest person (who is obviously not a good speller). I still found it somewhat heartbreaking .
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was selling coins on ebay here in Kentucky had just started for 2 months had
no negatives and 42 positive feedbacks we always tried to sell honest coins.
We had all of the over $50 coins slabed by PCI just to assure the buyers
that the coins were real. Nothing fancy but if you have a 1931-S penny or
a 1932-D quarter in low grade its better to be in a PCI slab for $6 than
just in a flippet and and who can afford to pay the big slabing companys?
On one day vacation and when I came back BAM!! all the auctions were ended
saying the coins were counterfeit. Ebay never answered my letter so I
figured this must be some mistake and I relisted them. BAM!! everything
ended again then saying my account was suspended indefanately for relisting
counterfeits...and I am prohibited from opening another account or useing
ebay in anyway....this is crazy. These are slabed coins for the protection
of my buyers!! I called PCI and talked to the lady who said that ebay no
longer considers PCI coins as slabed and that their lawyers were working to
sue ebay for defamation. I am not a dealer but I got these coins in PCI
slabs to be HONEST and now my little coin business is RUINED. ..what oh what
did i do wrong.....so here is my thoughts...lets start a class action
lawsuit....they cant do business this way in america...unless the countries
name has changed to iraq overnight and no one told me.... are they related
to saddam he gasses his own people in the middle of the night with no
explanation ...is that what is next for America? I have lots of inventory
left that I can't sell to pay the bills.....i am sure there are the true
scamers and all out there but there are alot of people like me what the heck
did i do wrong....
-------
<< <i>Dear seatedlibertykeydates,
You recently listed the following listing:
160177109662 - 1889 P Seated Half Dollar AU Key Date 12,711 Minatge
160175136248 - 1873 CC Seated Half Dollar AU Key Date 214,560 Mintage
160177931059 - 1866 S No Motto Seated Half Dollar XF+ Key Date
160175112942 - 1857 C Gold Dollar $1 AU Key Date 13,280 Mintage
160176380460 - 1797 Draped Bust Large Cent AU S-128 Key Date
160175124192 - 1858 C Gold Liberty $5.00 AU Key Date 38,856 Mintage
160176027087 - 1895 O Morgan Dollar Slider Uncirculated Key Date
The listing was removed because it violated the eBay Counterfeit Currency and Stamps policy. All fees related to this listing have been credited to your account. We also notified members who placed bids on the item that the listing has
been canceled. >>
You might contact Barry Stuppler of the ANA. They advised Ebay on this policy.
to saddam he gasses his own people in the middle of the night with no
explanation ...is that what is next for America?"
Heartbreaking? This person has your sympathy? You are too much, Frank.
Then there's always the possibility it's for the most part hitting those who it was intended for. btw, you think eBay is making money off this policy? They're losing final value fees, incurring costs subsequent to enforcing, etc.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>
The specific policy is that you cannot influence the value of an item in any way. >>
No
A raw or uncertified coin is defined as any coin not graded by one of the authorized grading companies. Sellers are permitted to list these items on eBay under the following conditions:
A numeric grade is not included in the title of the listing, such as MS-65, VF-25, etc. A numeric grade may only be included in the description of the listing.
The grading company or price guide is not referenced in the title or description.
A dollar value (even if personal opinion) is not included in the title or description.
Oddly enough, a giant loophole is you can show a photo of the XYZ grading company MS70 label!
<< <i>
Heartbreaking? This person has your sympathy? You are too much, Frank. >>
What is your problem?
<< <i>There is no specific piece of ebay policy that prohibits putting a dollar value in a picture. >>
The policy states that no value may be included in the description. Images are part of the description.
Russ, NCNE
Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.
Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
<< <i>
<< <i>Russ,
Isn't this the message they send? >>
That's the message sent to sellers. The message sent to buyers is different, and is used for multiple categories.
Russ, NCNE >>
Actually, Russ, I don't think that's true in all cases. I had a bunch of Stores listings yanked in mid-October for not having full slab pictures (they were listings I had created back in August and September before the new policy took effect, but hadn't gotten around to redoing).
I got an email from a buyer who had just received an email from eBay referring to my coins being counterfeit, and wanted to know what was going on. Luckily for me it was a long-time repeat customer of mine, so it didn't have an adverse effect. I was able to explain the new policy and that eBay is TOO EFFING STUPID to create a new and accurate email template, instead re-using an existing email message.
What compounds eBay's stupidity, is that he got the email not based on coins he was currently bidding on or watching, but for listings that HAD ENDED 10 DAYS PRIOR!
Amazing.
Now the scammer sellers on eBay are simply bypassing the rules by listing their NNC, SGS, and Hallmark wares using 1-day listings, knowing that even if reported, the listings won't be pulled before the auction ends.
Yay.
1/2 Cents
U.S. Revenue Stamps
<< <i>
<< <i>There is no specific piece of ebay policy that prohibits putting a dollar value in a picture. >>
The policy states that no value may be included in the description. Images are part of the description.
Russ, NCNE >>
There are specific meanings of TITLE, SUBTITLE, DESCRIPTION,and IMAGES on ebay.
The draft policy prohibited mentioning the PCGS price guide for coins not graded by PCGS,...
then someone at Ebay decided to drop the reference to PCGS, changing it to "THE" price guide
that was interpreted that to mean ANY price guide, therefore unintentionally banning any references to value or numerical grade for
raw coins, even though numerical grades are the ONLY official grades for Uncirculated coins in the ANA grading guide.
Barry Stuppler suggested I contact someone at ebay Trust and Safety to have them clarify this policy.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Computers don't think like people.
Your listing will be assimilated.
The Mysterious Egyptian Magic Coin
Coins in Movies
Coins on Television
<< <i>
<< <i>Let's try to keep the misinformation out of this thread as much as possible so don't reply if you don't know what you're talking about. >>
-The irony of that comment is not lost on me.
What's ironic about that statement? We have an honest seller take an undeserved hit (well it turned out to be technically a violation but not the one this guy thought it was) and he's laughing and kicking him while he's down like a playground bully--except a bully wouldn't know how to be pompous. --Jerry
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Let's try to keep the misinformation out of this thread as much as possible so don't reply if you don't know what you're talking about. >>
-The irony of that comment is not lost on me.
What's ironic about that statement? We have an honest seller take an undeserved hit (well it turned out to be technically a violation but not the one this guy thought it was) and he's laughing and kicking him while he's down like a playground bully--except a bully wouldn't know how to be pompous. --Jerry >>
Getting bummed from a raw coin purchase on eBay is bad. Getting bummed from a raw coin purchase from a frequent poster here is 10x worse.
The point is, we must be careful not to let our guards down just because they post over here.
The seller is most likely honest, but his recent raw coin auctions tend to be of the allegedly higher-priced type. In today's age, it is very difficult to sell raw coins at their true worth if they are indeed worth "sticker prices".
Basically, I hate to say it, but anybody who doesn't have a solid reputation who tries to sell expensive raw coins on eBay is either a fool or tries to fool others.
i wish Google would get their auction site up an running- it would put ebay in a bad transition of wasting a sellers time energy and hard earned money for listing with them.
MEG- your panties are on FIRE
and as brother Thiggy would say- I HOPE YOU DIE IN THE FIRE- MEG!!!!!
Thank you.
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
<< <i>
<< <i>Ebay does not allow you to use a picture that has a dollar value in it.
Unbelievable!!??
Will somebody please rationalize this for me. >>
Actually, it makes perfect sense within the parameters of the new policy. No dollar values are allowed in the description for raw coins. Plenty of sellers would try to circumvent this by putting a dollar value on the 2x2 in the image.
I do think, though, that in the case of good sellers like this, who simply made an understandable minor mistake, the T&S drones should be allowed some kind of discretion.
Russ, NCNE >>
Giving a drone any discretion could be dangerous.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
If you depend on ebay sales to supplement your income or to make a living then adapt. Having financed companies since 1971 I've seen successful companies adapt, grow and remain or sell off and make their owners lots of dough. I've also seen companies sit around and wonder what happened to them and try to justify that it wasn't their fault. A learning curve is one of the costs of doing business.
To the poster who justified putting prices on twoXtwos by suggesting shops do this thanks for the chuckle. First of all I've never understood why sellers do this, maybe someone will explain this. Coin shops are not auction sites and when you pick up a coin at a show or shop you can examine it, not so on ebay. As far as the comment of giving an estimated value you can do that by reserving the coin and I hope you are not suggesting that someone writing a price on a 2X2 is doing so to give a potential buyer their estimated value. It gets funnier when a seller lists a coin in the priced 2X2 and states that this was dealers price and he called it AU and was asking this much, but I will let the market decide. The only reason that a seller would logically post a photo with a price on it is to influence the value or too lazy to take it out and shoot it without it.