Saw this BEAUTIFUL 1826 Bust Half on NEN - How does this type of toning happen?

drddm · November 9, 2007 8:51PM

Beautiful 1826 Bustie - ANACS AU-55!!! Could this toning be natural on a Bust Half?

roadrunner · November 9, 2007 11:55PM

In most cases, beautiful capped bust half toning comes from coins that were once dipped or lightly cleaned and then placed in a high sulfur environment such as paper, albums, etc. 100% orig busties will almost never be exhibiting neon-like colors. Original bust halves tend to exhibit less exciting colors like browns, grays, and blues. But this fact seems to be lost on those paying huge premiums for gem bust toners. And in most cases, those very same toners are slighlty deficient in depth or lack of luster, exhibit hairlines or other signs of the earlier abuse. I see too many MS65 bust halves in holders where 50% of the obv field luster is missing.
How does that work?

In the case of the photo above, I'm not sure if that's 100% orig toning or not. But I'd lean towards it being orig. A nice looking coin in any event that is worthy of a premium compared to a conserved specimen.

roadrunner

drddm · November 10, 2007 1:03AM

Any chance this coin would cross over into a PCGS slab?

GoldenEyeNumismatics · November 10, 2007 1:07AM

<< <i>Any chance this coin would cross over into a PCGS slab? >>

On a coin like this it would all depend on how much luster is left--would need to see it in hand

123cents · November 10, 2007 1:07AM

I think there is a chance it might cross and the coin might look a little different in hand.

CarlWohlforth · November 10, 2007 1:10AM

<<Any chance this coin would cross over into a PCGS slab?>>

There is a chance. It looks like a solid AU but I have no idea if PCGS would find some issue with the toning.

I'm more used to the look of the following coin. In hand it is a bit more grey than in the photo. PCGS felt it was XF material and certified it:

drddm · November 10, 2007 1:14AM

Has anyone seen a PCGS graded CBH with this type of toning or something close to it, just curious?

123cents · November 10, 2007 1:32AM

This is a PCGS MS-64.

drddm · November 10, 2007 1:50AM

Very nice and somewhat similar colors to the 1826 posted here, however, can the colors on the PCGS MS64 occur on a nice AU-55 CBH?

DenverDave · November 10, 2007 3:07AM

Looks like Classic “Wayte Raymond Toning” to me...

coinkat · November 10, 2007 3:09AM

beautiful coin...

mepot · November 10, 2007 5:46AM

Heres two pics of an 1818 I picked up recently.This is one of those coins that looks very different when viewed from different angles.

I get the impression the coin you showed is the same way,probably looks plain brown straight on,then the colors show when tilted just right.

I agree with the consensus here that the way it was stored for a long time caused the toning,looks good to me.I like it.

JRocco · November 10, 2007 5:50AM

I think that the coin in the OP would look a little different in hand.
It looks to be flooded with light to bring out those colors. I think
it will be a little darker in hand and probably more appealing in my opinion.
I also believe this is clearly secondary toning after a dip but acceptable as
such.

drddm · November 10, 2007 5:53AM

Would PCGS slab a CBH that may have been dipped in the past and then toned this way?

Sunnywood · November 10, 2007 9:00AM

I find the color on this coin to exhibit a somewhat unnatural progression and distribution. I believe it was dipped & retoned, perhaps with a little help. However, I am more lenient on older series than I would be on Morgans, for example, where I am always trying to weed out coins that I don't believe in.

As far as the PCGS MS64 shown above (as well as the OP's ANACS AU55), I have long since learned not to opine too strongly based solely on images. Images can make natural toning look extremely unnatural, and vice versa. Best to see the coin in hand before finalizing a judgment.

Best,
Sunnywood

bestclser1 · November 10, 2007 12:13PM

Saw this BEAUTIFUL 1826 Bust Half on NEN - How does this type of toning happen?

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